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TrackerFFtoday at 4:52 PM15 repliesview on HN

I sometimes see people "celebrate" this, with the rationale that China is cracking down on white-collar crimes and handing out sentences unheard of in the west.

But, are these sort of things just examples of selective prosecution? Would the inner circle members of CCP leadership realistically face the same prosecution and sentencing, if they were to be caught doing the same?


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ianm218today at 5:26 PM

5 of the 7 highest ranking officials have been purged in recent years [1].

It’s not totally clear what the consequences were for those purged or if their crimes were legit but seems like they are all in prison.

[1]. https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/the-inevitability...

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tyretoday at 6:13 PM

Xi has shown repeatedly that he’s serious about corruption. As others have noted, some of the highest civilian and military officials have been removed for it. Some sentenced to death.

He sees it as a challenge to his legitimacy and China’s power, which, as you’d expect are the most important things to him; even if you take the most cynical view.

Another timely example, because it is the World Cup, is the Chinese football programs. They’ve been decimated because of corruption prosecutions, both executives and players. It’s a major reason why China isn’t competitive on the global stage, which much smaller countries with significantly smaller budgets can compete. And, yes, Xi does care about competing in the World Cup. Prestige is very important to his concept of China’s honor and global standing.

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mushufasatoday at 6:11 PM

Xi Jinping rose to power on a message of anti-corruption, and part of the reason he remains in power on an indefinite term is by presenting himself as the "only trusted" person to maintain anti-corruption amongst all the factions.

While I'm sure he doesn't catch all corruption and the CCP overall has selective enforcement, the reason they do have measures like this is in large part because of Xi Jinping's specific reputation and positioning.

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pjc50today at 6:08 PM

I think the way to determine how real this is: is the corruption allowed to damage the real economy? Most of the problems of Africa and South America are linked to that answer being "yes".

throwaway27448today at 5:07 PM

At least they try to appear anti-corruption—that's certainly more than you can say about the west.

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noufalibrahimtoday at 6:04 PM

Probably not but it's hard to really pin this down. On the one hand, China's rise has in the recent past has been phenomenal but that kind of rapid cleanup has always been accompanied by repression and destruction of political rivals. So. perhaps a bit of both.

chaostheorytoday at 6:21 PM

These are mainly political purges dressed up as “anti corruption drives”. Not ideal, but at least someone high up is getting punished compared to slaps on the wrist in the West.

ActorNightlytoday at 6:19 PM

Not everything that Chinese leadership does is perfect, they have made mistakes, but overall, leadership that is openly like "we need to maintain a tight control over the population for stability" is generally more trustworthy than that campaigns on freedom and small government only to get in power and make themselves richer.

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Barrin92today at 5:27 PM

>Would the inner circle members of CCP leadership realistically face the same prosecution and sentencing

no need to speculate, it's already happened. Zhou Yongkang who was a member of the Politburo Standing Committee (the highest governing body in Chinese politics) was prosecuted, and up until that point people at the top were considered relatively untouchable. Xi also axed the last to vice chairmen of the central military commission, Xu Caihou and Guo Boxiong, that's the commander in chief of the PLA.

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lyu07282today at 5:40 PM

> Would the inner circle members of CCP leadership realistically face the same prosecution and sentencing, if they were to be caught doing the same?

The west is inundated with simplistic anti-chinese propaganda, so you would never perceive it as such, the way it would be presented to you in the west is as the evil dictator Xi Jingping purging his opposition, for instance:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-41670162

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toomuchtodotoday at 5:16 PM

A win is a win. Could there be more wins? Glass is half full.

ozgrakkurttoday at 5:07 PM

Killing people in any context is barbaric because it is not possible to bring someone back from the dead.

I’m not a law expert but it seems pretty basic that there shouldn’t be irreversible punishment.

Also there should be equity which means everyone that does the same crime should face the same consequence, which doesn’t happen anywhere in the world as far as I can understand.

So harsher punishment means people with less power will get shafted harder

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mittensctoday at 4:53 PM

You can ask the same about inner circle of current US leadership

It will have the same answer, no

who would be able to prosecute them and how?

who would even investigate them

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NooneAtAll3today at 4:59 PM

You're trying to approach from the wrong side

it's not a question of "prosecute this one or the other person" - it's the choice between "prosecute this one or nobody"

thus celebration that at least something got done

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casey2today at 5:09 PM

The top is already pushed with prisoner for life. In a tiered society a well functioning country focuses on the tier that is current bottleneck.