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mikaelumanyesterday at 7:45 PM4 repliesview on HN

Most everyone would love to see more work on stopping child sexual abuse.

But this is the ultimate "grant me dictatorial powers so I can do good" play.

Rather than narrow and specific - it's a broad based law that suddenly touches everyone even though offenders are a small percentage and should be able to be targeted more efficiently.


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cortesoftyesterday at 7:51 PM

Yep, and this is a perfect example of a base rate fallacy situation... even if the scanner is 99.99% accurate, because an even higher percentage of photos are innocent, most matches the scanner will find will be false positives.

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bonoboTPyesterday at 8:34 PM

The bad consequences are diffuse, abstract and distant (conspiracy-looking, tinfoil-like), while it's very easy to viscerally understand that "even if they just save one child, it's already worth it".

They should give precise numbers of how many such crimes are detected via such means or are expected to be detected per year, and how many of those are not possible to catch through regular investigative work. It just seems ridiculously out of proportion especially that with all this flurry around the topic, the criminals surely aren't using WhatsApp for this any more, but especially won't be once the law is adopted. Sure, many are likely stupid but if they are so stupid, won't they fall into other honeypots?

Why are chat apps the best leverage for uncovering this? They'd have to justify this with some sort of data and numbers.

Because later they can just come back and say, well unfortunately they are now all using other means, so now we need to break https,we need to ban e2e, we need to ban vpns, tor and foss operating systems etc etc.

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ggthrowawayyesterday at 7:53 PM

CSA makes ppl lose all logic, so is used to justify illogical things.

Reminder that none of this has any evidence that it helps CSA, but nobody cares about the actual children.

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englishspotyesterday at 8:16 PM

so much for the principle of least privilege..