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bevekspldnwyesterday at 6:43 PM5 repliesview on HN

These aren’t raw base models they are the result of a ton of RLHF and various adjustments.

Bitter lesson wildly overstated in this context.


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chaos_emergenttoday at 3:11 AM

RLHF is an increasingly small part of training though? From what I understand most of the capability gain is in RLVR

theptiptoday at 2:51 AM

Nah, the last few generations have more RLVR in the data mix. Which is more CPU intensive and very much amenable to the bitter lesson as you can reduce the loss by doing more rollouts in your tool environment.

frohyesterday at 7:38 PM

rlhf = reinforcement learning from human feedback

(had to look it up)

fastballyesterday at 8:00 PM

More RLHF is in fact scaling.

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cmayesterday at 8:11 PM

The scaling with reasoning models is more and more with things like verifiable rewards (coding and math), in line with bitter lesson and also Sutton invented lots of modern RL.