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thebigspacefuckyesterday at 9:36 PM3 repliesview on HN

(LM)Arena is basically this. IMO it’s the best benchmark that avoids benchmaxxing

Agent: https://arena.ai/leaderboard/agent

Web dev: https://arena.ai/leaderboard/code/webdev

Currently Fable and 5.6 are neck and neck on web dev which is basically the same finding as this.


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tedsandersyesterday at 10:21 PM

Arena can definitely be benchmaxxed a bit, if you try. The distribution of prompts there is very different than usage by regular coders. E.g., lots of requests for one-shot games from scratch. So if you fine-tuned your model to be great at making fun one-shot games from underspecified prompts, your coding model might look better than it is (on general tasks, at least).

I work at OpenAI, and am happy to say we don't try to juice our scores here, as doing so would be counterproductive and make Arena a worse signal for everyone.

Chu4eenoyesterday at 10:05 PM

There's a ton of arenamaxxing going on (especially from facebook), though I don't disagree that it's one of the better actual benchmarks.

Always fun to ask them to recreate classic demoscene effects (sadly they're still pretty bad at generating music, though at least claude seems to create decent synths).

I keep trying to get them to recreate the fluid+particle stuff from Agenda Circling Forth etc., but even giving them the blog posts describing the implementation (and screenshots) they're still pretty bad.

small_modelyesterday at 10:11 PM

Doesn't have Grok 4.5 listed yet, wonder why 5.6 is, it was released later?