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johnsmith1840today at 2:18 AM1 replyview on HN

If you think any model coming out of china is not containing as much stolen data as humanly possible from the actual innovators u crazy.

Using a chinese model is like watching pirated films. If you actually support the people who make the thing you love then you don't do that.

We then get hit with chinese sponsored propoganda of "the big labs stole artist images to begin with so they can't complain" and act like LLMs didn't create an entire new category of thing.

So much propaganda so many lies and dishonesty because at the end of the day China knows it's not innovative enough to compete. It hopes to hobble our abilities while they frantically steal to catch up.

But the truth is that if China ever gets a lead over US in any innovation they will instantly kill any openess. If chinese AI ever passes US it's likely you'll never touch that model ever.

Just like the russians they use our own culture against us and it's absurd people fall for it.


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throwaway27448today at 3:17 AM

Is there a commercial model out there now that wasn't trained on stolen data? Let's stop refering to these ghouls as "innovators": they're glorified bootleggers