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SwellJoetoday at 4:13 AM0 repliesview on HN

I use LLMs, and I use them for my Open Source projects, and I get the enthusiasm some people have for them.

But, I don't find straw man arguments interesting. They don't engage at all with why many Open Source developers don't want to use LLMs and won't allow LLM contributions to their projects (which are two different things; I regularly use LLMs, but I generally don't want or accept LLM-generated code from other people in my projects).

e.g. "Most-all of the people I’ve talked to that are strongly anti-LLM and anti-AI are oddly silent on the subject of models like GLM 5.2 and other modern open-weight models that are “good enough” for assistance now, and in another year will likely be as good as Fable or 5.6 today. I suspect this is because they are larpers and aren’t actually keeping track of the technology."

The people who are strongly anti-LLM may have many varied reasons for that position, and the models being open doesn't address most of those reasons. e.g. the ethics of ingesting everyone's writing and code, environmental costs, costs to communities where data centers are built, ending the developer pipeline by lopping off all junior roles, some of the worst people in the world becoming wealthy and powerful beyond human comprehension, the list isn't short and it doesn't end there..."open" models covers maybe one of those.

In short, the anti-LLM people are silent on the subject because it has very little, possibly nothing, to do with their position.

So, I even agree that we might as well enjoy the subsidized tokens the big guys want to sell us. My position is that I'm going to try to do some good work with them, use them with care to produce good code that survives without the best models, should it ever come to the point where very good models are prohibitively expensive. Fix security bugs in my projects where that matters. Fill out APIs and docs and translations. Just generally do the janitorial work that never seems to get done when it's just a couple of volunteers.

But, I'm not trying to convince the anti-LLM folks they're wrong. Some days, I agree with them.