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apiyesterday at 2:01 PM3 repliesview on HN

The problem is not phones. Phones are fine. The problem is specific apps that make use of addiction engineering. These are bad on desktops too but the extreme portability of phones makes them a hundred times more potent.

Like all risks it doesn’t affect all kids equally either.

Some are less vulnerable for various cognitive reasons just like some are less prone to chemical addiction.

Kids with wealthier and/or more engaged parents or parents with more free time are also less vulnerable. Wealthier kids have more activities available and can often afford to have one parent stay home.

Lastly kids in healthier communities or suburbs or safe urban settings where they can roam free are less vulnerable.

They children of the poor, those with ADD or ASD conditions, and those with less third spaces or other activities are most vulnerable to becoming addicted to endless stupefying doom scrolling and addictive games that pre-train them for future gambling addiction.

It’s not just kids either. The elderly and the isolated become addicted to this stuff.

Addiction engineering is the problem, whether it’s via a phone, a web site, or a chemical.

IMO if you intentionally and knowingly engineer something for addiction you are committing a form of assault.


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Lercyesterday at 2:15 PM

Would it not be a better approach to remove any incentive to provide an addictive product. Companies don't do that just to be evil. Evil is just the byproduct of money.

Make it illegal to advertise to anyone under the age of 18. Make it illegal to trade data about anyone under the age of 18.

What incentive would then remain? I don't think they will do it for the long term gains of training behaviour for when they are old enough to exploit. Companies that engage in behaviour like this are notoriously immune to long term ideas.

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Telaneoyesterday at 2:25 PM

I agree. Even the platonic ideal of something like Facebook isn't really a problem (assume a Facebook with a chronological feed which shows nothing but what your friends and liked pages have posted, and it'll be a lot less addicting than what we have today, and a lot more social!). It's possible to have a phone and not have any apps on it which are engineered to make you addicted. If the relevant companies behaved themselves, we wouldn't be in this rut (or at least not as deep into it).

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jimbokunyesterday at 2:19 PM

The problem isn’t guns.

The problem is bullets, which guns just happen to make go very fast.

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