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vjvjvjvjghvyesterday at 9:20 PM7 repliesview on HN

I don’t really understand the outrage over scalpers. Isn’t this just normal market behavior? Is a retailer that buys things and sells them with a markup a scalper?

People seem to be willing to pay crazy prices for events.


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Brendinoooyesterday at 9:39 PM

>Is a retailer that buys things and sells them with a markup a scalper?

If you bought all of the food then offered the food at 10x the prices, we'd be outraged with you, yes.

Stakes are lower because it's a luxury good, not food, but it's the same idea.

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sushidyesterday at 9:46 PM

It's not a simple buy/sell marketplace. There's no recourse for fans who purchase a confirmed ticket, only to find that the seller "doesn't have them" and see the same ticket relisted for higher if the price jumps. Stubhub prioritize these scalper relationships and doesn't meaningfully protect its buyers from getting screwed over.

rtpgtoday at 12:01 AM

If reselling is allowed a market is created, pushing up prices. But that extra money doesn't go towards anyone involved in the creation of the product! It goes towards scalpers. Though there's a bit of price discovery value....

Without reselling scalpers have no reason to scoop up the tickets.

So if you prevent reselling... then concertgoers just have to do a lottery or something for the scarce resource and people who aren't interested in the concert have no reason to buy the tickets! Just a better experience for everyone except for the scalpers and I guess Taylor Swift cuz she won't know the price ceiling for tickets.

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fecal_hengeyesterday at 9:37 PM

The ultimate customers would certainly pay more than the face price which is what the scalpers pay, yet the scalpers get all the tickets. This is abnormal market behaviour.

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janalsncmyesterday at 11:06 PM

You are describing rent-seeking behavior: middle men who add no economic value yet inject themselves into transactions.

Yes, this is “normal” in the sense that it is common. It is “normal” in the same way that cancer is “normal”.

No, this is not “normal” in the sense of being behavior the government should just tolerate. It is in the same category of market failures as monopolies and externalities.

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andrew_lettuceyesterday at 9:35 PM

The outrage is over the apparent collusion between a platform that argues it only facilitates a fan-to-fan marketplace, and a hedge fund run by the platform's CEO that sells a massive volume of resale tickets. This is definitely not on the spirit of competition regardless of it's illegal or not

sdthjbvuiiijbbyesterday at 9:42 PM

Yes it's rational market behavior. But it bothers people for such a blatantly worthless middleman to capture all consumer surplus for themselves while providing zero value.

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