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rr808today at 1:53 PM11 repliesview on HN

I'm just surprised that an American brand making electronics lasted this long. Even Japanese companies are giving up. No one can compete with China.

Apple somehow reigns supreme still. Anyone else?


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Grombobuloustoday at 3:21 PM

A whole bunch of American and Western multinational companies design hardware in Western countries and manufacture them in China.

The manufacturing isn’t usually the most valuable part of the value chain. E.g., Apple makes the most money when you sell you an iPhone, not their Chinese and Indian factory suppliers and assemblers.

GoPro isn’t failing because they’re an American brand. They’re failing because they’re mismanaged and they made a bunch of product mistakes.

If you want more examples I can give them to you: Google hardware/phones, HP, Dell, Sonos, Bose, Ubiquiti, Cisco, Nvidia, Qualcomm.

Most Japanese corporations still do a lot of their design work in Japan. Sony even does manufacturing of Raspberry Pi devices in Wales.

And of course, speaking of Sony, the money maker for that console is in software, and most of Sony’s studios are in Western countries like the US and Japan. The manufacture of the console is the lowest value part of the business.

Companies that have significant manufacturing and fabrication outside of China/Taiwan: Intel, IBM, GlobalFoundries, ON Semiconductor, Texas Instruments, Whisker (Litter Robot), and a very large percentage of the automotive industry.

Large appliances brands have a heavy presence in the US, Canada, and Mexico, including LG, Samsung, Whirlpool, GE appliances, Speed Queen, SubZero/Wolf/Cove, BSH Home Appliances (Bosch/Thermador), Electrolux.

KitchenAid mixers, Vitamix, Viking Range, BlueStar.

Igloo coolers, All-Clad, Lodge, Post-It notes, Darn Tough Socks…

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nuneztoday at 5:36 PM

Consumer electronics, yes. For defense, though, American companies very much still make electronics.

Keyframetoday at 2:02 PM

Apple is China.. hence "Designed by Apple in California"

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steelframetoday at 1:59 PM

Apple isn't exactly competing with China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_in_China

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Alien1Beingtoday at 2:01 PM

Apple manufacturing is entirely Indian and Chinese.

While GoPro is made in Thailand.

America is just where their marketing teams hang out...

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TheArcanetoday at 4:55 PM

> Apple somehow reigns supreme still.

That's because America ban anything that starts to compete, like Huawei or Chinese car companies

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smokeltoday at 2:05 PM

I'm looking at GoPro packaging here that says "Made in Thailand".

dismalaftoday at 5:17 PM

> Apple somehow reigns supreme still.

Largely because they've been producing in China for quite awhile. Now India too.

phendrenad2today at 5:04 PM

Apple has an excellent mobile OS, which is enough of a loyal userbase that they can make a hardware mistake once in a while and still retain customers. They're less hardware-dependent than most device manufacturers. This also enables them to lag behind the state of the art if it means more reliable/consistent performance. Which is why you don't see a folding Apple phone yet, and why Samsung was able to score points against Apple by having longer battery life and a better camera. This also allows them to demand high quality from their factories.

csomartoday at 4:29 PM

Apple still stand because of Software which China sucks at. Good thing the US is not about to destroy its software industry by investing all of its money on AI.

romanovcodetoday at 1:57 PM

Is apple making electronics? I thought they are made in India and China.

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