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delta_p_delta_xlast Saturday at 2:32 PM4 repliesview on HN

> All the major tools for advanced work are Linux-based

No, they aren't. Linux hasn't yet got anything remotely close to PDB symbol servers and WinDbg's record-replay debugging. perf is... an attempt.

Source: worked on Windows and Linux drivers and user-mode applications. Windows tooling blows the competition out of the water in actually advanced developer experience. Vim is cool to the ricing hackerman types but not people who actually earn salaries. Windows doesn't need Docker because it has a stable user-mode ABI.


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ikiddyesterday at 4:19 AM

You could exhaust Windows networking or filesystem features in an afternoon. Linux could give you a career.

I spent 20 years supporting Windows server and server applications like Exchange, SQL Server, IIS, etc, etc, and when I left that industry and got back to Linux, I was absolutely floored about what I had been missing. No wonder Windows had it's lunch eaten in virtually every facet by Linux server applications.

warshinderlast Saturday at 3:01 PM

I know you’re joking, but there is a very small sliver of truth in there somewhere. There are some tools on windows that stand shoulder to shoulder with better os’s.

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theamklast Saturday at 7:56 PM

advanced work != advanced tools

You can have basic and not very user friendly tool, and work on very advanced topics, such as new forms of networking, innovative database, cool filesystem or storage devices, etc...

Or you can be an advanced windows developer with very nice tools, and yet work on something utterly mundane, like an internal app which tracks time off in your company, schedules delivery of parts, or provides a (granted, very nice and polished) UI to the backend database server which runs Linux.

In my experience, most of the advanced work is done on Linux nowadays. Just look at HN front page - how many posts are Windows-only and are not "new UI over existing library/service"?

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silverlimetealast Saturday at 3:07 PM

> people who actually earn salaries

Maybe a hot take but the world's "most advanced software engineering" is not happening in W-2 employment scenarios.