Qwen 3.8 Max Preview

The title is misleading. The link led to a pricing page/token plan and not about the new QWen 3.8 model.

in my experience of 1 month daily use, Qwen 3.7 Pro is just unusable. wastes too much time, goes off track, useless stuck loops, cannot debug at all. Deepseek V4 Pro is night-and-day compare to Qwen. actually Qwen models seems the worst SWE experience so far. and it is super expensive compare to Deepseek. cannot delegate anything to it, cannot use it real-time low-level tasks either. totally unusable.

For those trying to get it to work in OpenCode with a Qwen Cloud Token Plan, this is what worked for me. Note that I've just matched Qwen 3.7 Max for the limits as I don't know exactly what they are.

  "provider": {
    "alibaba-token-plan": {
      "models": {
        "qwen3.8-max-preview": {
          "limit": {
            "context": 1048576,
            "output": 65536
          },
          "modalities": {
            "input": [
              "text"
            ],
            "output": [
              "text"
            ]
          },
          "name": "Qwen3.8 Max Preview"
        }
      }
    }
  }

I remember when they released Qwen 3.7 Plus and Max. These models behaved way different from all prior models, it became too verbose. It wrote multiple paragraphs just to answer my prompt instead of the usual concise and direct way responding to me. I didn't like that at all, and I know Gemini also had this behaviour with with the Flash series until I managed to reduce it a bit with personal instructions (in the settings on Gemini website).

I haven't tried Qwen 3.8 Max yet, looking forward to it. My hope is that its way less verbose. Another thing I experience with the Qwen models is that I do not trust their benchmark scores at all. Have anyone played with Qwen 3.8 Max and can share their experience? Which model it come close to? Sonnet 5? GLm-5? DS V4 Pro? Flash? Gemini 3.5 Flash?

Why did Qwen stop producing open models? They've gone from building the best open models ~1 year ago to producing like the 10th-best closed models. I don't understand this pivot at all.

Edit: I saw online they do in fact plan to release this openly at some point – x.com/Alibaba_Qwen/status/2078759124914098291

I'm haven't found an announcement page, but there's a banner on the website announcing Qwen 3.8 and redirecting to this page.

Looks like they're previewing the model only on their subscription plan.

What is a "credit" and how does it translate to tokens for the different models?

Does anyone know if they intend on releasing open source/weights variants for 3.8 or whether 3.6 was the last model they are/were doing that for?

Does anyone have the privacy policy of their token plan available? Want to check if they retain/train on inputs/outputs.

Who is behind this site? Is this another frontend to Alibaba or a reseller in Singapore?

If it offers more than opencode go, the entry plan looks enticing

Using QWEN models since 2.5. I never used the chat properly but as an API I can say they're quite good, especially when you compare with OpenAI models. Cheaper and almost same level. I will try this now also.

I predict that no one will use this and everyone will use Kimi K3.

So are locally-runnable models frozen at Qwen 3.6 now :/

Obligatory "Does it answer security questions?".

Nice

waic go brr

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SVG's pelican https://gist.github.com/vitordelucca/521c2d63c9b852c622e7648...

Made on the website, so not sure if on the API there's more thinking options...