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Certhaslast Sunday at 9:41 AM1 replyview on HN

TOS violations are not espionage. Everybody who links up Claude to OpenCode is violating the TOS.

So from the largest industrial espionage in history we have left "They paid for the accounts but violated the TOS". And then you randomly add the claim they stole the money to pay for the accounts.

You have provided no evidence other than "Claude tokens are sold for cheap in China". As others have pointed out, that might also simply be counterfeit tokens generated by open weight models.

The western labs have established the precedent that all data they can buy beg borrow or steal is fair game. Turning around and crying foul when the Chinese labs follow their lead is hypocrisy.


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tristanjlast Sunday at 10:02 AM

Have a read of this detailed article, it's well sourced and documented that token resellers are logging the Claude outputs and selling them to Chinese labs. All your points are addressed in there https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens...

I linked it earlier, but it seems you didn't see it.

re: labs purchasing model/tool output, see https://x.com/xkajon/status/2050445443889525235

re: model swapping, sure some providers may swap models, but there are many that don't, see https://www.hvoy.ai/en for a list.

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