alt Hacker News> I would suggest to people using LLMs: you should be cautious about giving these companies data or relying on them. If you're building an AI startup, there's a very good chance they could decide to directly compete with you if your idea has traction. You're also at their mercy for API pricing etc.
LLM generated code is not copyrightable, so even if they do "steal" it - I don't think there's legal grounds to do anything about it.
It can't be stolen. You don't really own it.
You can try to lock it in a safe and hope no one ever gets a hold of it. You can lie and say you didn't use an LLM, but Anthropic and OpenAI et al probably have logs to disprove that.
But, if push comes to shove, you don't own it...
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So, code is not the only data they potentially have access to, and it might not even be the most interesting data. There's also whatever other things you plug the AI into: slack, email, internal documentation, etc.
Also, a lot of people using LLMs are using it on code bases that were written before LLMs were common for coding. So in that context, you really are allowing them to train on your code for free.
> LLM generated code is not copyrightable, so even if they do "steal" it - I don't think there's legal grounds to do anything about it.
> It can't be stolen. You don't really own it.
At least in the UK computer generated code has been copyright-able for decades [1]
> (3)In the case of a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work which is computer-generated, the author shall be taken to be the person by whom the arrangements necessary for the creation of the work are undertaken.
And the ToS of the major/minor AI providers as far as i can tell have no opinion on what you do with the code in terms of ownership.
> LLM generated code is not copyrightable
[citation needed]
I've seen cases where it was determined that the LLM itself doesn't hold copyright. But where are you getting the idea that nobody holds copyright?
This is a popular misreading of the state of the law.
Someone tried, as a bit of a stunt, to register a work for copyright with generative AI as the sole creator/author. That registration was rejected. This is quite different from a person using generative AI as a tool to create a work.
People have copyright in photos and videos they create, even if they used a camera. Same with images and code, even if they used an LLM.
I'm not your lawyer, but to the extent you have copyright in works you create, the fact that you used a tool doesn't diminish the copyright.