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llm_nerdtoday at 12:08 PM3 repliesview on HN

> The actual EUV light source is developed and produced in California by Cymer, which ASML acquired in 2013.

Cymer was one of multiple vendors (Gigaphoton, XTREME) providing this sort of light source, and ASML acquired it because it couldn't achieve what they wanted (they needed 100+W and Cymer could only achieve 15W). ASML needed to control and fund the company, and add engineering talent, to achieve what they actually needed.

Oh and ASML bought Cymer because Gigaphoton (another company at basically the same stage of development as Cymer), being a Japanese company, objected to foreign control. Though if ASML knew the protectionist, insular direction the US was going to go they probably would rethink their past decisions.

So this retconning that Cymer is really the secret magic of ASML and the Netherlands is just stealing US ingenuity is hilarious stuff.

And for that matter, it is amazing how so often we hear about "American" tech that is actually overwhelmingly combining acquisitions and manpower from abroad. Like is an iPhone an "American" creation? LOL, no.


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petcattoday at 12:23 PM

> the secret magic of ASML and the Netherlands is just stealing US ingenuity is hilarious stuff.

I never said anything about ASML stealing technology or ingenuity. The point is that EUV photolithography is an international effort. The machines don't exist at all without about 6 different countries contributing technology and expertise.

ASML has certainly proven itself to be a very capable integrator of many international technologies and processes.

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bijowo1676today at 1:02 PM

isnt DUV and EUV technologies discovered and developed by US national labs (LLNL, LBNL, Sandia) in cooperation with EUV Consortsium funded by US Chipmakers (Intel, AMD, Motorola) and licenced to Cymer?

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saberiencetoday at 1:30 PM

Bingo!

Yes the OP is completely biased.