alt Hacker News> it's hilarious to see how all these HN intellectuals, who on any other day are rabidly against most DRM / IP issues all of a sudden become private property absolutists.
for the record, i've always been rabidly pro-copyright since i worked at a performing royalty organization (prs for music) circa 15 years ago, way before i joined hn.
i don't use llms for that reason.
> It's also sadly hypocritical to see all this rhetoric here on this thread decrying SOTAs for using a variety of content for their inputs as somehow sTeaLINg sTufF! ...
when i see a spade, i call it a spade. just because the US has utterly stupid copyright provisions that are wide open for abuse, i.e. fair use, doesn't mean abusing those provisions at scale is morally acceptable.
> ... but Chinese SOTA foundries directly using distillation as fair game.
two wrongs don't make a right, but the irony is at least something.
> I don't think there is any coherence to any of these arguments - other than 'we liking big companies'. That's the only common thread.
the corpos can get fucked as far as i'm concerned.
> What is more reasonable: ... There's some grounds for fair use by SOTA models to ingest content, so long as they are not reproducing it ... very roughly speaking.
*only in the US.
I'm not attacking you, you don't have to defend yourself.
I'm just nothing that HN rhetoric is contradictory.
But this:
"when i see a spade, i call it a spade." -> this is anti intellectual absolutism.
If it were some true injustice, then fine, but that is clearly not the case.
There is ample room to contemplate that even copyrighted works could be considers fair use as training material.
"the corpos can get fucked as far as i'm concerned."
Ok that's fine - but then don't expect anyone to respect your principles if you don't have any other than 'screw that group!'.
I'm sympathetic to it (!!!) - but if we want to call a 'spade a spade' in a legitimate way, then we can do it in consistent and principled way.