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I wanted a clock that never needed setting. Things escalated

61 pointsby lee_arslast Thursday at 12:01 PM64 commentsview on HN

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Frost1xtoday at 12:13 AM

I’ve had a Phillips “atomic” alarm clock beside my bed for 23 years that just sets based on radio signal and auto restores if the power is lost, to which it has a backup 9v battery.

There’s a time zone setting offset slider and a DST slider. I basically touch it twice a year, maybe another if I move time zones. I’ve only had to touch it for DST (never switched time zones). Takes me conservatively 10 seconds to find and flip, so it’s taken me 460 seconds or a little under 8 minutes in the past 23 years to do time adjustments.

While these efforts are definitely fun hobby projects, there are cheap reliable solutions out there with minimal intervention that consume the NIST radio signal for time.

Just for anyone interested who wasn’t aware there’s some “old school” time broadcast solutions out there too besides NTP: https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/time-di...

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Animatstoday at 12:25 AM

It's a clock. Does it really have to have remote updating, a command line interface, an Internet connection, and HomeKit integration? That's too IoT.

I have three La Crosse clocks that run off the NIST time signal out of Boulder, CO, and need their AA battery replaced maybe once a year. The real challenge is running such a thing on a small battery for a year.

I once made a small clock that displayed "A LITTLE AFTER SIX" and such, changing its text every five minutes. Needed a power connection, though.

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sasaf5today at 12:32 AM

"One, the path not taken, started with an Arduino or Arduino-like microcontroller. The other began with a Raspberry Pi or Pi-like computer-y thing. I went with the Pi, variously using both a Raspberry Pi Zero W and Zero 2 W."

Ok, so instead of bumping your clock +- one hour twice a year you preferred distro upgrades?

sudbtoday at 12:32 AM

This reminded of this other clock project: https://mitxela.com/projects/precision_clock_mk_iv

Also: I reckon the closest best-value watch alternative that ticks most(?) of the author's boxes is the Casio GW-M5610-1ER, so long as you are inside a radio-controlled time area.

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mjevanstoday at 12:13 AM

I feel this article's premise too much. That's exactly the sort of clock I wanted to get my mom as a gift.

Why is it so dang impossible to find a not trash simple LED clock that's 'large print', 'the right color', and not annoyingly too bright?

A deluxe model might include a day of the week bar or dot and a month / day in month number (smaller than the time, mostly people care about the time)

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pudgywalshtoday at 3:50 AM

The author's primary lament is clocks that cannot withstand power flickers, yet every sub-$10 mains voltage clock from Walmart and Target that I've ever seen will take a 9V battery to make them resilient against such power interruptions.

Might want to flip the clock over and check for a battery door before starting next time.

miladyincontroltoday at 12:29 AM

I just use one those awtrix clones made by ulanzi, multiple open source firmwares for it since esp32 based. NTP, http api for displaying alerts, and mqtt support

No need for me to reinvent the wheel, works a treat mounted above my monitor

craftkillertoday at 12:39 AM

Edit: I was wrong! original post below:

> Battery-backed self-setting “atomic” clocks that get their updates via the cosmic ether have been a thing for years and get me most of the way there, but damned if I could find one with a red seven-segment display that I liked (maybe someone else’s search kung-fu is better than mine?)

I found this with ~5 minutes of searching. I think it meets your critera: https://www.amazon.com/Sharp-Digital-Alarm-AccuSet-Automatic...

(Regardless, cool project! I think yours still looks better than this one)

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JoeDaDudetoday at 12:51 AM

LED segments may be nice, but why not go full out Nixie tube? There are several kits out there, but for the DIY ethic, you can add WWV sync - and even watch the synchronization process - with this fellow's project:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smUwbzA9SEo

linehedonisttoday at 2:05 AM

The atomic time radio station WWVB does in fact broadcast a daylight saving time bit. A good atomic time clock should accurately update for DST (though Amazon reviews for a clock like this one is pretty mixed: https://www.amazon.com/Crosse-Technology-617-249-Curved-Atom...)

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russdilltoday at 12:31 AM

This really screams esp32/esphome, and as you'd expect, there are already dozens upon dozens of such projects https://github.com/mfactory-osaka/ESPTimeCast

autarchtoday at 12:32 AM

I've been using an old iPad as a clock for a while. The "Clocks" app I installed lets me configured 5 different alarms (quite handy since my week varies a lot).

montrosertoday at 12:44 AM

I want a beautiful eink clock that gets its time from gps/gnss. It seems too much to have to collect a clock to wifi. Just turn it on and it should work.

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dabinattoday at 2:10 AM

There are lots of modern alarm clocks that pair via Bluetooth to your phone and auto-set the time from the phone’s time. No internet connection or NTP server needed.

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pseudohadamardlast Friday at 5:17 AM

There have been mass-produced don't-need-setting clocks for just under a hundred years now, the first Jaeger-LeCoultre Atmos clock, https://atmos-atelier.de/en/atmos-uhr/, being produced in 1928. You don't wind them up, you move a lever across to unlock them and then they keep running by themselves. The du Millénaire model won't need resetting until 3000AD, although perhaps that range may be a tiny bit optimistic.

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tonmoytoday at 1:47 AM

Wouldn’t it make more sense to build a GPS clock?

skippyfishtoday at 12:06 AM

I can't decide how I feel about this article. On one hand, it's great. It's great that the author wanted to get something done, and thanks to the marvels of modern tech, they could do it with very little effort.

But on the other hand... gosh, this was about the simplest software engineering challenge imaginable (toggle some I/O pins) and the simplest design task imaginable (make a featureless rectangular box). And the author - a technologist! - isn't just saying "I wanted to try out some new tech". They're saying "this was too hard, I needed help from an LLM" ("would absolutely not be able to meet this challenge", "hit another wall").

And that... I mean, I just don't know what to make of this. Were we always like this? Are LLMs making us like this? Is it good? Is it bad?... and don't give me the calculator analogy...

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weedfroglozengetoday at 12:50 AM

If you think you need your alarm clock to be accurate down to the subsecond, you need to talk to someone about your anxiety.

rekabistoday at 1:57 AM

I think a single clock-output-only microcontroller would be nifty. Something where you can save settings, such as NTP servers and an all time change dates, but that’s it. Pair it with PoE Ethernet and you wouldn’t even need a power supply, only an Ethernet jack in the wall. With the right display you could make it super thin.

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t-writescodetoday at 2:56 AM

All these other responders. Goodness. It’s a clock. It’s a fun little project they made *FOR FUN!*.

Did everyone forget that hackers and engineers like to have fun? Seriously.

Someone at Open Sauce this year made a friggin CRT-based VR headset. Why? Why not.

Did we forget where we came from? Does everything have to be optimal?

FpUsertoday at 12:56 AM

>"...but damned if I could find one with a red seven-segment display that I liked..."

Funny but I have one which updates time "via the cosmic ether", has big red 7-seg LEDs and as cherry on top it has laser LED based projector that displays same big red 7 seg digits on whatever surface one points it to - ceiling in my case. I bought it decades ago in RadioShack

x86x87today at 12:12 AM

so basically NTP!