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skohantoday at 2:49 PM10 repliesview on HN

Couldn't it be a problem given the concentration of the S&P in these companies?

At this point these companies make up a huge portion of 401k's for a huge chunk of Americans. How would it affect retirees if they dropped 40-50%, likely taking the market with them?


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hualapaistoday at 4:17 PM

I suggest looking into “EQL”, or better yet, just replicating its index by taking a position in the 11 XL* sector funds from SPDR, allocating equal weighting to each. One will end up with one’s equities equal weighted by sector and with plenty of large cap exposure, as opposed to the pronounced mid-cap tilt found in whole market equal-weight strategies.

Personally, I drop the financial sector entirely (Thomistic prohibitions on usury) which leaves an even 10 funds which is easy to allocate mentally and in practice. For example, assuming a 60/40 allocation where one is holding the lion’s share in equities and the remainder in bonds (I substitute with a combination of gold, crypto, cash, and Swiss Franc here), one would allocate as follows:

XLC 6% XLY 6% XLP 6% XLE 6% XLV 6% XLI 6% XLB 6% XLK 6% XLU 6% XLRE 6%

(Note that XLF is consciously not taken as a position here, decide if it’s right for you. The Mortgate REITs which would make XLRE problematic are in XLF per the sector selection rules)

The remaining 40% is bonded debt if you are fine with usury, or some sort of asset negatively or neutrally correlated to equities.

tyleotoday at 2:54 PM

It’s an interesting thought. The growth is so extreme that if the S&P 500 fell 50% today it would reach levels last seen in 2022. Given that the timespan is so short, I’m honestly not sure it would be as bad for 401ks as people expect unless all of your investment was concentrated in the last 4 years.

I suppose it’s worse if your calculation is, “I’ll retire when my 401k hits $X absolute value,” but I think most people just retire at a certain age instead with risk spread across decades.

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riffrafftoday at 3:06 PM

NVidia makes up 7.5% of the SP500. If it lost 50%, it would be a 3% loss for the index. The concentration is bad, but it would not cause a drop of 50% retirement funds by itself. If you take an all world index, it's even less.

Still, if NVidia lost 50% of their market share, we would probably see a big collapse of the stock market.

EDIT: to note, the top ten companies in SP500 make up an unprecedented concentration but they're not "mostly AI".

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minimaltomtoday at 3:50 PM

Even if theres a massive drawdown it will recover in the medium term (and in the short term is a great buying opportunity).

For the people who are close/early to retirement and can't do that, well, they need to manage sequence of returns risk.

Edit: I think some ppl might interpret this as me being bullish on the SP500. I'm not, I'm bullish on everything evens out and returns to the mean.

MikeNotThePopetoday at 4:23 PM

I don’t think concentration risk is itself overly concerning. The nature of a market cap weighted index means it will always be heavy on whatever is currently trending. You’ll certainly be hurting if your plan is to retire at the top of the market with just enough, as the inevitable downturn will hammer your portfolio down into not enough. So invest until you have enough to handle volatility or a lost decade with a dip and slow recovery.

senshantoday at 3:12 PM

For those who stick to a meaningful asset allocation (e.g. 60/40, 80/20, etc), this does not pose significant problem -- they would not be buying much stock in the last 3 years. Instead, they would be buying mostly fixed-income. Probably mostly in 401k/IRA accounts.

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epolanskitoday at 5:38 PM

There is no data showing that high concentration is bad in an index.

No correlation with future returns.

On the other hand the world is leveraged to insane levels not seen since world wars or global recessions.

At the same time yields are low while inflation is high.

There is definitely a high level of risk in the financial markets.

A risk nobody, especially politicians, want to look at, because it would unavoidably lead to some major pains, so procrastinating until it's unavoidable seems the way to go.

swarnietoday at 2:56 PM

I'm not familiar with 401k rules but presumably they get a choice of markets and products?

If one is over concentrated its easily avoided.

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anthonypasqtoday at 3:38 PM

retirees arent suppose to have their active retirement funds in stocks dude. Any financial advisor with a brain would not make such a ridiculous asset allocation error.

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noelsusmantoday at 3:46 PM

Retirees relying on short term equity returns to cover expenses only have themselves to blame.