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adahnlast Thursday at 11:10 PM1 replyview on HN

The core safety-related arguments for closed weights are:

1. Visibility. API providers can monitor for misuse, and regulators only need to oversee a few centralised players. Once weights are released, anyone with sufficient hardware (foreign governments, criminal groups, terrorists?) can run them and monitoring is no longer feasible.

2. Revocability and containment. If closed-weights models are found to be dangerous, access can be withdrawn. Deployments that are autonomously causing harm are easier to contain.

3. Guardrails. Safety fine-tuning and classifiers can be removed from open-weights models, enabling harmful use that would not be possible via API.


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marcus_holmesyesterday at 1:31 AM

I trust open source code more than I trust proprietary code. And I believe history vindicates me.

Everything that you're saying can be done with open-weights models by bad people can also be done with closed-weights models by the people who own them. And there is no defence against that, we are forced to trust that the owners are not bad people. Those owners have proven time and again that they are only interested in profit and/or control. They will do whatever they think makes them the most money, or gives them the most control. They will also lie about this.

At least with open weights we know the danger and can do something about it. With closed weights we don't know what's going on.

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