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idontwantthistoday at 12:21 AM5 repliesview on HN

It’s a good book but I didn’t agree that the big problem would be men lacking meaning because they didn’t have to work. They had families, homes and food. They could have devoted themselves to personal improvement, art, sports, their kids, whatever. I’d love to have security and no job. I’d be full to the brim with meaning and satisfaction.


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smallmancontrovtoday at 12:26 AM

Yes, and while I'm sure the adjustment wouldn't be seamless (nothing worth doing ever is), anyone trying to hawk the "you need me, your master, to give you purpose!" line should be met with the highest order of immediate suspicion. The kid protagonists on the Cartoon Network wouldn't fall for that shit, I'm shocked by the number of grown adults who take the bait hook, line, and sinker without suspicion.

kouru225today at 1:00 AM

I agree, but the reaction to AI is making me realize that there are a whole bunch of people who don’t know how to find meaning in their lives

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georgemcbaytoday at 12:28 AM

> I’d love to have security and no job. I’d be full to the brim with meaning and satisfaction.

Same. I have plenty of hobbies and could increase the amount of volunteer work I do substantially if I didn't have to work to stay fed and housed.

But I've also worked with plenty of people for whom their job and their overall identity are inexorably intertwined.

So while I don't see that issue as being a problem for me, it is likely to be a problem for a great number of people.

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foxglaciertoday at 2:10 AM

Are you sure you would thrive without a job long term? I know it's very easy to feel that way when you're working because your pay is proof that you're doing something valuable, the requirement to do your job even when you don't feel like it ensures you don't fall into a spiral of laziness, and you don't have to face the inevitably worse reality of actually doing those things you want instead of just imagining them. What direction would you even go in and what force would continue to drive you even after your kids have grown up and there's nothing of value you can do for another human? Personal improvement in what direction? Be better at coping without external validation?

There are sayings like "If you want something done, ask a busy person to do it" and "success breeds success". I have plenty of life experience that appears to confirm these in myself and others I know.

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tclancytoday at 1:39 AM

Try to remember the time it was written in though. Now, male mental health is actually talked about and therapy is not seen as something shameful.

I mean, unless you’re trying to sell bootcamps to incels.