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nozzlegearyesterday at 5:33 PM1 replyview on HN

Some relevant wisdom from the founding fathers of the United States:

When asked about when kind of government the founding fathers had created, Ben Franklin replied "A Republic, if you can keep it."

On democracy, John Adams wrote: "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

Thomas Jefferson further wrote that "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

tl;dr democracies need to be fought for, or else they won't stay democracies forever.


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abernard1yesterday at 5:55 PM

John Adams wrote that as a reason why the United States is not a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic. It's a consistent theme throughout the Federalist Papers.

Individual States and localities have elements of democracy, but the US—built upon knowledge of Rome—is not.

The United States of America is the second iteration of American government, after the one that failed in 1787. The arguments leading up to the 1789 Constitution are quite explicit around why democracies don't work. America is a nation of nations, which is why "these United States" as a plural term was used frequently until after the Civil War, when having it be a singular concept once-and-for-all was of paramount importance.

That said, this is ban is clearly a restriction on freedom of expression, and highly un-American.

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