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jumpkicktoday at 5:29 PM1 replyview on HN

How are weights stolen from the frontier model developers? What is that actual mechanism?


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eigenspacetoday at 5:37 PM

The weights themselves aren't stolen. The claim is that Chinese companies are using VPNs and proxies to buy massive amounts of Claude Pro and Codex subscription accounts, and then selling usage on those subscriptions as cheap white-label LLM API usage.

While selling that LLM API usage, they then capture all the prompts, outputs, and intermediate thinking the LLM does, and then sell those logs to the companies making open-weight models. The open-weight model developers then train on those logs to 'distill' a model.

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