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Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

89 pointsby aweeramanlast Tuesday at 1:31 PM32 commentsview on HN

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aftbityesterday at 10:31 PM

The same argument applies to DRM and piracy. DRM only disadvantages people who want to consume content legally. Only one person has to bypass it (be it through cryptographic or software failings or the good old fashioned analog hole ala telesync) then upload the resulting unencumbered media file to a piracy site.

As a result, it's not just cheaper, but also easier and more reliable to steal media than it is to buy it legally.

What would happen if media were offered without DRM? Everything would be on a piracy site? It already is.

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deyiaoyesterday at 11:29 PM

It's unfortunate that the final few years of the fastest AGI progress happen to coincide with a global surge in nationalism, polarization, and mutual hostility between human groups.

That raises a disturbing failure mode: under intense conflict, an AI could learn that exterminating some groups of humans is a justified or even desirable objective. Once that principle is accepted, the step to concluding that exterminating all humans is justified may become much smaller than we'd like to believe.

jameshartyesterday at 9:29 PM

Slight timeline correction: 25 years ago in 2001 Blowfish was no longer contraband - the crypto export rules had been changed by 2000. As of January 2000 Netscape and IE were both shipping 128bit DES internationally.

Still, the t-shirts with Blowfish source printed on them were a cool bit of retro hacker chic.

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no_multitudesyesterday at 11:12 PM

It seems like you got bored halfway through and had an LLM write the second half of your post? You know there isn't a minimum length for blog posts, right? You can just stop writing.

theturtletalksyesterday at 10:06 PM

We need a cypherpunks movement for open weight models

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Cider9986yesterday at 10:57 PM

Apparently we are still fighting for secure communication through cryptography [1].

Other issue that doesn't get enough attention on HN is the criminalization of writing code. Probably because it was cryptocurrency applications. First they come for the people you disagree with. Just like they first came for porn sites, and now Wikipedia is being monitored.

[1] https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

Scoundrelleryesterday at 9:51 PM

Time to create some esp32-in-a-lightbulb open weight model dead drops.

Please don’t open-circuit the light for several hours.

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lofaszvanittyesterday at 11:09 PM

Maybe it's already out there.

IshKebabyesterday at 9:53 PM

Yeah this persuaded me more than I thought it would, but there are still some pretty big differences IMO. A frontier AI model is a lot harder and more costly to produce than an encryption algorithm. Especially if we believe Anthropic that the Chinese can only do it by distilling their models (though tbh I would err on the side of not believing that).

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