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galaxyLogictoday at 3:52 AM2 repliesview on HN

Interesting point about "self-referential sentences". I tend to agree. In my view a sentence saying something like "This sentence ..." does not have valid semantic meaning. It says nothing because, what "This" in "This sentence" means is ill-defined.

If terms we use are not well-defined, then sentences using such terms can not have meaning.

But for the sake of argument let's explore, what could the "this" in (so called) "self-referential" sentences refer to?

Do they refer to a specific encoding of the sentence you are reading, as some bits in computer memory perhaps?

That would require that those bits somehow have a unique "identity" and the "this" in a self-referential sentence would have to refer to those bits in specific addresses of a specific memory-chip.

But of course the "this" does not specify which memory chip, which specific (concrete) encoding of its (purported) meaning it is referring to. And if it did, then it would be talking about that specific set of bits in that specific memory-chip, not of "itself".

The fallacy is that what we perceive as a "sentence we read" is somehow "speaking" of something. But no, the sentence is not a subject, a sentence can not speak, and THEREFORE it specifically can not speak of itself.

A sentence can not speak, only actors, only subjects, like humans and AI, can "speak". And their speech must be encoded in some physical medium. A written sentence like "This sentence is ..." gives us the false impressions that somehow the SENTENCE IS SPEAKING of itself!

But speech can not speak, speech is the product of speaking.

Hence, in my view, "self-referential sentences" do not have any meaning and whatever paradoxes they might seem to create are results of confusion between ontological levels of "Subject" vs. "Speech".


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aesthesiatoday at 6:16 AM

Quines produce similar issues to self-referential sentences without being directly self-referential. e.g. "'Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation' yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation."

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erehwebtoday at 5:56 AM

As the article notes, the sentence "This sentence is written in English" is well understood, and true. "This sentence is written in French" is also well understood and false.

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