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pehejetoday at 9:51 AM8 repliesview on HN

What are some genuinely useful things macros can do?


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Vohlenzertoday at 10:39 AM

One of the cleanest examples in the book is the CL-PPCRE library for regular expressions.

Without macros, regular expressions are strings at compile time and then at runtime objects are created based on the strings to evaluate them.

With macros, regular expressions are expanded at compile time into Common Lisp code that implements the evaluation.

There's a similar idea with an ORM library.

Without macros, the object-relational mapping is defined at compile time and any dynamic SQL is generated at run time.

With macros, the object-relational mapping is used at compile time to expand the query macros into Common Lisp code that includes the actual SQL.

Then also remember that the compiler is available at runtime in a lisp, so the distinction only matters when comparing it to non-lisps.

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klibertptoday at 11:41 AM

If your language has macros, you don't need to wait for it to gain async/await (and it was quite a wait even in Python and JS, while Java got its virtual threads very recently); you can just[1] implement a CPS transform as a macro:

https://github.com/nim-works/cps/blob/master/docs/cps.svg

[1] Yeah, I know, this word is extremely overworked in that sentence. Sorry, that's an exaggeration for effect. In reality, it's not that simple, and not always possible: it depends on the language and macro system. It's still more likely to be implementable in library code if there is a macro system, though.

LandRtoday at 11:03 AM

Take C#, if you want a new language feature or syntax added you have to propose it to the language design team, they have to decide it's worth implementing then you have to wait on it being implemented and released and your tooling updated.

If I want some new syntax in a LISP, I just write a macro.

e.g. the following threading macro in clojure

(->> x foo bar)

Takes x and passes it as the last argument to foo, then the result of foo is passed as the last argument to bar. Alternative you have -> for passing it as the first argument. These are from the standard library, but if they weren't they would be trivial to write yourself.

And no strings involved when you write macros in lisp either. It's just lists, your macro is just building a list. Because the syntax is just lists and there's no difference between lists and the syntax.

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Akronymustoday at 10:16 AM

AFAICT, actually manipulating the AST, which then in turn allows you to implement your own language features, inserting additional debugging info, memoizing a function by just wrapping it in a macro, or optimizations based on domain knowledge.

throw-qqqqqtoday at 11:28 AM

Generally, it enables type-safe, ahead-of-time compiled code to perform work at compile time that would require runtime execution in many other languages

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arvyytoday at 10:28 AM

all the things, if macro system is sufficiently sophisticated (ie., hygienic with ability to attach metadata to syntax object). Racket is one of languages with such system, and they implemented static typing using them.

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db48xtoday at 10:06 AM

They can define new syntax and special forms.

z0ltantoday at 1:11 PM

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