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Turning a Dumb AC Unit Smart (Without Losing My Security Deposit)

51 pointsby austinallegrotoday at 6:28 PM48 commentsview on HN

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EvanAndersontoday at 7:44 PM

The "couple a stepper motor to a shaft" API is so much better than any "smart" appliance API.

Speaking more seriously, I wish classes of appliances would expose some simple analog and digital interface pins in a standardized configuration to let users choose whatever automation or monitoring hardware they want. HVAC equipment does this with standardized thermostat terminals. I'd love to see that on other types of appliances, too.

The manufacturer's crappy "app" that will inevitably be abandoned and require keeping some old phone / tablet in good "health" lest you lose the "smart" functionality (or worse, any use of) the appliance.

Then current way of putting the "smarts" inside the appliance is just planned obsolescence and a recipe for all of us being eyeball deep in ewaste.

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pudgywalshtoday at 9:16 PM

I can't offer praise for controlling a mechanical thermostat with a poorly-implemented software thermostat.

If this was a remote control knob it might begin to make sense, but it isn't.

A NYC apartment with a 115V PTAC is by definition the size of a shoebox, is twisting a knob twice a day really that much of a burden?

Moto7451today at 8:52 PM

Maybe not as fun but my sun room window unit is controlled by an off the shelf $20 thermostat designed for Air Conditioners. It’s the LUX Win 100 and is date/time programmable and features a compressor lockout so it doesn’t burn out your window unit by short cycling.

If you have a favorite smart thermostat you could also wire up a receptacle with a contactor between it and a cord and a 24v AC transformer wired to the line side. This would make your window unit controllable just like a central air conditioner.

chem83today at 7:43 PM

It's insane to me that some new construction buildings still use PTACs. Having used too many of those, this was a deal-breaker last time I was in the market for an apartment. Such a New York thing, just like how you cannot have a balcony on the 2nd floor, or how you won't find those sink garbage disposal grinders in any kitchen. But cross the Hudson toward NJ, and my understanding is that they're common. It's a combination of hyper-local regulations and economic incentives that date from god-knows-when and make American cities very unique in their quirks.

bmurphy1976today at 9:14 PM

You need to 3D print a bracket. That's what will give you the last 10-20%.

vayuntoday at 8:46 PM

https://esphome.io/ would make the software side of this a 10 minute job

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Liftyeetoday at 8:32 PM

I don't get how so many large buildings in NYC and Beijing (two cities that I've personally visited) use independent little AC units like the PTAC or minisplit types. A couple per apartment, peppered over the outer walls. Engineers intuition says surely a large central unit would be more efficient and effective.

Is it because of personal ownership reasons? Counterintuitive physics? Heat dissipation limitations on the roof?

Can someone with more knowledge clue me in?

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andixtoday at 8:38 PM

OT: I'm looking for some way to control my AC via Infrared. I have a few pretty standard AC units with IR remotes. The ones with a display on it, that just transmit all the settings on the remote via IR on every button press.

Some device I can mount in proximity, that controls the AC, but preferably also has a temperature and humidity sensor included.

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scottlambtoday at 7:17 PM

> The rest of this blog post is a walkthrough of a software engineer’s approach to home automation and building custom hardware, and let me tell you: both the final product, and the journey to get there, are hella jank.

IMHO it's not that bad? With the disclaimer that I'm also a software engineer who dabbles very very lightly with electronics and has no mechanical engineering expertise. But the overall approach of doing this by stepper motor seems quite defensible given the security deposit constraint. The only part that seems really janky to me is that it's not physically held in place that well as noted in this paragraph:

> Ultimately, the biggest issue is that binder clips and cardboard aren’t quite as robust of a mounting mechanism as I’d hoped they’d be… and over time, the stepper motor tends to “sag” a bit, resulting in a bit too much friction between the motor, the coupler, and the underlying knob, causing the mechanism to stall out until someone manually goes and reseats it…

Involving MQTT and HA can sometimes get frustrating too; having your AC not working properly if there's a problem on a Linux machine can suck. If this becomes a problem in practice, iirc ESPHome also has a thermostat component, and temperature sensors are really cheap and easy to wire in, so you could do it all on the microcontroller pretty easily in a low-code way. But if this part is working, no need to mess with it.

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ethnttoday at 7:38 PM

I was in a similar situation with my apartment PTAC unit, but mine has thermostat terminals — I would not be surprised if this one does too. I was able to hook up an Ecobee thermostat, with the downside being that it's way more expensive than OP's solution.

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ryeguy_24today at 8:03 PM

I have to say. Nice work. I spent years wanting to build something like this to integrate to these systems. I never did but have spent years thinking about this. So, nice work and really appreciate your motivation.

a-dubtoday at 7:44 PM

that's a fun project. i'd be a little concerned about the servos failing to fully switch the switches or placing wear on them, maybe a dangerous failure mode where it is switched into and left in an in-between state unattended that could lead to a fire hazard.

you can buy smart outlets with the correct connector, just look for 20A versions. (honeywell, at a minimum, sells one).

https://prod-edam.honeywell.com/content/dam/honeywell-edam/h...

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Reason077today at 7:35 PM

Instead of attaching the motor bracket with a binder clip, consider sticking it down with some sort of removable adhesive?

3M command strips should be very strong/secure, while also allowing for adjustment and will detach without residue when the time comes.

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post_breaktoday at 7:40 PM

Assuming running a dual hose inverter portable AC isn't against the lease agreement it would probably pay for itself based on the power usage. Pretty neat hack regardless.

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arikraktoday at 8:45 PM

Another option would be to install a smart timer in the outlet. However, you need to ensure that the heat won't automatically go on when the device is turned off, and sometimes the outlets are non-standard formats.

effnorwoodtoday at 7:16 PM

Hey Siri, can I afford a home loan?

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