Cloudflare just started blocking Googlebot, so maybe we'll see an exodus away from Cloudflare by people who want their sites indexed? Hopefully?

Cloudflare spreads everywhere and kills the drive to do nice things. It is akin to a disease.

The question is, what is the alternative to cloudflare? We've tried (to various degrees) user id, micropayments, device attestation... I'm not hopeful we can actually solve this. Maybe if there was a neutral, "NGO-like" cloudflare of some sort?

It's like the good old joke about a bear-proof trash can.

There is now a considerable overlap between the capabilities of the dumbest users and the smartest AIs.

> but HN loves it

There is popular sentiment on HN that CF is making internet worse by being a core infrastructure element most websites use.