alt Hacker NewsThis is interesting.
I thought granting internet access to apps is not avoidable on Android.
When an app does not request internet, is it really guaranteed that it cannot talk to the outside world? Or is it having other avenues like opening a browser or some other component with a custom url or something?
Update: I just asked Gemini, and it does not look good:
An Android app without the INTERNET permission is not guaranteed to be isolated from the outside world. While it cannot make direct network connections itself, it can use several other mechanisms to transmit data externally:
Intent-Based Communication (The Browser) An app can launch an explicit or implicit Intent to hand data over to another app that does have internet access.
That means the app can open a system browser using a URL containing the data it wants to transmit.
It can also load a Chrome Custom Tab inside its own UI task, passing data through the URL string.
There is also Inter-Process Communication: If two apps from the same developer share a User ID (sharedUserId), they run in the same process and share all permissions, including internet access.
There is also the concept of Content Providers: Content Providers allow apps to share data. An offline app can write data into a shared database or a public Content Provider. A secondary, online-enabled app can then read that database and upload the contents.
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You're aware that the only really secure computing device has no way to connect to a network and is under armed guard?
Edit: also that LLMs are tuned for "engagement" not for answers like "it's secure enough, move along"?
I guess that makes sense. Since most non-privacy-focused Android distributions don't let users turn off the internet permission, keeping the permission secure likely ceased to be a priority.
The full list of bypasses is likely much larger because it doesn't fall in the scope of bug bounties.
Christ that's depressing.
I'm assuming that all works even with application sandboxing (1) or am I mis-reading how that is applied to applications.
Man I need to move my movement to GrapheneOS up to be sooner.
This is all very true, unfortunately. Google designed Android as a an OS for internet appliances. They're not interested in local-only apps working on local files.
But I think the OP is to be complimented for what they've built and their intention in making it local-only. I've long felt that apps that *genuinely" respect privacy are one of the few areas of opportunity still left in the mobile space. I wish there were more develpers building things like this.