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ashleyntoday at 3:16 PM6 repliesview on HN

They might be low-hanging fruit but two things immediately come to mind:

* As more of the small stuff is just proven for free, the more they can be used as a basis for other proofs. If you know something is true or false for certain, that can be a significant tailwind for the much harder, much more important problems. Fermat's last theorem looks deceptively simple and invited many failed amateur attempts at solving it, but Wiles' proof drew on a diversity of seemingly-distant subfields within mathematics that were better understood.

* What are aspiring math Phd's supposed to do, now that the bar is much higher these days? The net effect of this appears to be that we'll see far fewer, but far more elite math Phd's, potentially discouraging many young people from the field.


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ndriscolltoday at 5:06 PM

The bar for math PhDs already ruled out like 99.9% of the population, so I don't see it having much effect on discouraging people. The gap between even a bright student who takes AP calculus or whatever and someone studying e.g. spectral sequences is already incomprehensibly large. Like you literally could not even convey to a smart young person how far away they are from the boundary of today's understanding. I don't think I even have a reasonable sense with a math bachelor's!

People who get into math do it because they can't not do it.

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throwaway0123_5today at 3:37 PM

> The net effect of this appears to be that we'll see far fewer, but far more elite math Phd's, potentially discouraging many young people from the field.

It seems plausible that the value of education will go down for the vast majority of fields and as a result less people will be getting degrees of all types.

Not a good outcome I think for humanity to be less educated, even if people are provided for when they can't get jobs... things like mathematical and scientific literacy, as well as history knowledge (which even STEM majors often receive via undergraduate degree breadth requirements), etc. I would expect strongly result in more informed and harder to deceive citizens.

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chermitoday at 3:53 PM

Maybe masters will become more popular. I have no problem with bars being raised on PhDs, but it's crazy history that math may be the first one to have it raised (or brought back to old levels).

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hgoeltoday at 3:58 PM

I don't believe this is raising the bar for minting fresh PhDs.

We need to maintain perspective here, a PhD is essentially work done by a researcher at the least experienced, least skilled point of their career. Their primary goal is to demonstrate that they are capable of contributing to research.

They are not competing against AI to publish a counterexample to a known conjecture.

julianeontoday at 3:41 PM

Is the bar really higher? Those math PhD's can use GPT too; they benefit equally from AI assistance.

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jauntywundrkindtoday at 5:12 PM

Notably we have had very few conjectures proven true, so it doesn't feel like there is that widening base of established map to draw yet more proofs upon.