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zimablue22today at 6:04 PM2 repliesview on HN

This is just GRPO (proposed by DeepSeek), which similarly samples many plausible generations, selects the best of K, and trains that sample.

Minibatch OT in flow matching also has a very similar mechanism, where samples from a noise distribution are matched to the closest data point.

There is a lot of prior work here that the authors neglect to discuss, which portrays this work as more novel than it actually is.


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yorwbatoday at 6:25 PM

GRPO increases the likelihood of samples that are better than average, not just the single best, and decreases that of samples that are worse than average. This method doesn't even involve an explicit likelihood, so it's a completely different mechanism.

A comparison with minibatch optimal transport is in appendix A.2 of the paper.

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imenanitoday at 6:16 PM

The relation to current RLVR methods I think is interesting, they do discuss it a bit but I would be curious to see more about this as well. Quote from the paper:

Exploration beyond Pretraining. The mode collapse XMs address during pretraining also often shows up in post-training, where RL fine-tuning is known to sharpen models onto a narrow set of behaviors [76]. Recent fixes such as pass@krewards [77] and best-of-N-aware fine-tuning [78] can be seen through our lens as Forward XM, with a verifier standing in for ground truth data. These fixes act only during post-training, though; pretraining with exploration may yield base models that capture more modes in the first place, leaving RL more to select among.

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