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afandianyesterday at 9:26 PM6 repliesview on HN

I don't understand where the all the EU anti-trust and anti-corruption regulators are here. _Governments_ enforcing that you have a Google or Apple account to participate in society is transparently absurd.

This isn't only a digital sovereignty issue, it's also an anti-competition issue.


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txrx0000today at 12:09 AM

This is the correct intuition. The problem can be solved with antitrust by forcing hardware vendors to ship their devices without an operating system. Then the market will deliver the parenting solutions that don't require mass surveillance. We're currently being blocked from doing so by anti-competitive measures.

For a more detailed explanation of what the root of the problem is, see a past comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49118578

mosurayesterday at 9:35 PM

The EU way is to think these things are “free” and then act surprised by the inevitable consequences five years later when it is irreversible.

Our AI gods cannot save us soon enough.

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tzsyesterday at 11:02 PM

My understanding is that you are not forced to use this. Sites in the EU that will be required to verify user age will be free to use any method they wish as long as they can show it is as effective as the app and it does not violate privacy laws.

Most analysts expect sites will offer multiple ways, for a variety of reasons.

Eventually when the full EU Digital Identity Wallet is available age checks can be done using that and the age-only app will go away. For the full wallet the rules explicitly require platforms to have fallback mechanisms for users who are not using the digital wallet.

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wmftoday at 12:19 AM

Their solution is to "force open" iOS and Android through the DMA, not to create competition which they know won't work.

petcatyesterday at 10:06 PM

The reality of the matter is that it is virtually impossible for Europe to even begin to displace Apple or Google devices, and especially not operating systems and all the ecosystem that goes along with it.

The EU politicians are just publicly paying lip-service to "digital sovereignty" while they quietly hope this all just blows over when Trump is gone in 2 years.

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varispeedyesterday at 11:19 PM

Anti-corruption regulators are paid to look away. If they start investigating corruption like e.g. Ukraine does, then the EU countries will be perceived as corrupt. The goal of these institutions is to keep things under the rug so to speak.

That's why you barely see anything being done and yet everyone can see how corrupt things are.