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ericdtoday at 5:10 PM2 repliesview on HN

Well, manufacturing capacity was the basis of US military dominance, which was the underpinning of the post WW2 US-led world order. That's pretty clearly eroded, and we're not sure we could win in a war against China, especially not a full-on war of attrition, and they're not sure about that either, and so they're steadily getting more willing to throw their weight around geopolitically, trying to get a setup that's more favorable to them. The difference in shipbuilding capacity is staggering, for example. Even if each of our ships had a 10-1 kill ratio, we'd still run out of ships first.

My read on why we want it back, anyway. I'm sure there are other reasons, too.


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epistasistoday at 5:26 PM

Manufacturing dominance was for WW2, but post WW2 it's really high tech and Silicon Valley that gave us dominance.

Silicon Valley was built on defense contracts for control systems, that's what funded all early semiconductor work, what built the technical empire that led to software's dominance in more recent decades.

And Ukraine is proving that heavy manufacturing competence is not the key discriminator. Now light manufacturing, high tech, and bottom-up organization and logistics are letting a small country defend itself against a far far far larger enemy with 4x the people and an absolutely massive dominance in heavy industry and manufacturing of heavy vehicles.

The biggest weakness of Ukraine is the same weakness of the US at the moment: inability to manufacture large amounts of interceptor missiles for air defense. That's not a heavy industry problem, that's a technology problem, a logistics problem, an operations problem. This requires the skill of Apple, not the skills of GM. And in the time it takes the US to scale up production, Ukraine is going to invent their own far cheaper option from scratch.

And that's because the US has not yet moved beyond the style of military industry built on massive high-capital manufacturing, that's slow moving and design iteration measured in years rather than months. The US is currently repeating the same mistake, but even worse, with its drone initiatives because the rewards are based purely on corrupt personal relationships rather than any sort of competitive process.

Heavy industry and manufacturing are not the model for building a military of the future, or an economy of the future.

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s1artibartfasttoday at 6:19 PM

I think it's unlikely the next War will be won by tanks and Liberty ships.

Beyond that there's still the economic viability problem in the US. A steel mill worker in the US makes 65k per year. In China they make 12K. This holds true for the rest of the heavy industry supply chain.

As the parent posts points out, what we are really fighting against here is baumol's cost disease.

Edit: a Chinese steel worker salary is about 80th percentile for Chinese workers - a very attractive gig.

US steel workers are about 40th percentile - worse than average.

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