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potentdreamtoday at 2:36 PM1 replyview on HN

very hard for junior engineers out there now.


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alephnerdtoday at 2:47 PM

There are too many new grads and the quality bar outside of target programs has dropped nor never existed to begin with.

And the target programs graduate around 15-20k EECS adjacent majors a year.

It's hard to justify hiring a (choosing random college) CS@Ouachita Baptist University grad for $140K TC (50th percentile for an entry level SWE) or even $100K TC [0] (25th percentile for an entry level SWE) unless they are truly an outlier.

For example, back in college I had a buddy who really didn't want to take our OS class because it was hard, so he used transferology and found an OS class offered by some random Christian university in Texas where the class assignments were either writing biblical analogies for system programming concepts like memory management or basic fizzbuzz level assignments. My alma mater's CS program ended up blacklisting that college when admin was working on transferring the credits for that class and began reviewing the class's curriculum.

While that is an extreme example, outside of target programs, the quality bar drops dramatically, and an entire generation of grads are truly unemployable at the current prevailing wages.

[0] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/levels/entry-leve...

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