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aleph_minus_onetoday at 9:58 PM0 repliesview on HN

> Losing Ive was probably a good thing for Apple.

The position that I have rather often read on the internet is: Jonathan Ive did very good work at Apple as long as there was a counterpart who could steer his creative vision. This counterpart was of course Steve Jobs. When Steve Jobs died, there wasn't such a counterpart anymore, so Ive's work for Apple got much worse.