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jamestimminstoday at 7:51 PM8 repliesview on HN

As a California tech worker (where the article is focused), I have zero interest in joining a union and firmly believe that much of what has been possible as a tech employee (high paying, interesting career) is in part because we don't have unions, and instead employees own equity and get valuable skills.

Modern tech workers arguably have the best career deal in the history of humankind. I see no upside in killing the goose with the golden egg.


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superfranktoday at 8:25 PM

> Modern tech workers arguably have the best career deal in the history of humankind. I see no upside in killing the goose with the golden egg.

I agree, but that's actually one of the strongest arguments for why tech workers should unionize now. Wages are high because employees have leverage due to 10-15 years of demand for skilled workers being higher than supply. If you wait until that leverage is gone to form a union then you've lost a lot of the leverage to negotiate for better conditions as a union.

For the record, I've been in a union in another industry much earlier in my career, and I'm pretty on the fence about a tech workers union, but I think your argument is pretty short sighted.

hackthemacktoday at 8:09 PM

These topics are just so difficult to debate. They are filled with feelings and one person's perspective or anecdote, and it is difficult to drill down into what is true or what is not true.

You wrote "Modern tech workers arguably have the best career deal in the history of humankind".

How do you know?

And, for the sake of argument, let us say it is the best deal in the history of humankind, does that make it fair that the big tech companies did the following...

As a small rebuttal of sorts, consider

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...

You are making less money than what you would have been making if that illegal arrangement had not been made.

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hnavtoday at 8:14 PM

The underlying thesis for the valuation of all these AI labs is that 80% of tech workers can be replaced with automation.

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DiscourseFantoday at 7:59 PM

Yeah just wait until you get laid off

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ktalletttoday at 8:02 PM

This golden egg has a funny smell. You are exclusively focusing on high paying as interesting is found in many careers. Lots of people don't trade rights for cash. Many prefer a comfortable lifestyle that protects their families and life style, whilst allowing them to just do a fair day's work in exchange for pay. It is far better if people don't feel they need to put in endless hours or always have to please someone to avoid getting fired.

Apocryphontoday at 8:00 PM

ZIRP era perspective

well_ackshuallytoday at 8:22 PM

The lack of union is exactly the reason why every software developer shut the fuck up and took money in exchange for building spyware, tracking software, ran psychological experiments on unknowing people and generally contributed to the destruction of society. "Engineers" would have the balls to stand up to it, and unions would be the backbone that helps it happen.

Instead, you got a nice paycheck, and made sure to make the world actively worse for everyone. Good job.

fnord77today at 8:06 PM

until the VC money runs out (e.g. high interest rates) and we have to grind away at some awful, large company

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