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tejohnsoyesterday at 9:33 PM6 repliesview on HN

So you're forced to join a gang and fight their rival gangs, or you form your own gang equipped with rifles and grenades ready to commit violence, so that you can fight against joining that gang, or any other gang. Either way you're in a violent gang.

I guess I'd rather have the state maintain a monopoly on violence.


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inigyouyesterday at 9:37 PM

These gangs are states. We can tell this because they have monopolies on violence.

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patconyesterday at 10:59 PM

I agree, not all violence is the same.

But further, perhaps our sense of morality atrophies when we concede the idea of just violence (just as in "justice") only to the state.

I presume those fighting the cartels might have more of a developed sense of civic pride and duty than anyone in a more stable place. Perhaps I'm wrong though

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monkaijuyesterday at 9:37 PM

Not sure its fair to equate a gang fueled by drug smuggling to a self-defense militia.

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Dig1tyesterday at 11:43 PM

Mexico has gun laws which are significantly more restrictive than the USA. There is only one legal gun store in the country, they must all be permitted, calibers are limited, and only permitted within the place of residence. "Monopoly on violence" is an illusion that's propped up mostly by the culture of the people who live in a country.

Sweden's gun homicide rate has increased by 400% since 2010 due to nothing other than demographic change.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_Sweden

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essephyesterday at 11:19 PM

> I guess I'd rather have the state maintain a monopoly on violence.

Like the Taliban?

crypttalesyesterday at 9:35 PM

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