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beepbooptheoryyesterday at 5:53 PM2 repliesview on HN

OK interesting. Who specifically are these other subsidiaries that clearly account for this loss though? I get it's just a trueism for those in the know like you, but it's pretty fascinating for me at least! Like is there one example company we can point to here? Even if there were like 20 subsidiaries and the combined loss was 3 billion, that would feel noteworthy on its own?

Like to be absolutely honest, this point ends up just sounding more alarmist than the claim you took issue with originally. But perhaps I am just misunderstanding.


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npilkyesterday at 8:23 PM

Here's an analogy (as far as I understand the situation...)

Let's say I own a lemonade stand. I sell you a 20% stake.

My stand loses $10. When I report my financial results, I report losing $10. Then I report that your share of those losses is $2, and my share is $8. This creates transparency.

So OpenAI really did lose $8.8B or whatever, but some of those losses are 'attributed' to other shareholders/owners of their subsidiaries, because they have a complicated corporate structure. So they report both numbers - the total loss, and then the part they 'own'.

So when Ed says "It’s unclear what this means", he's either terribly uninformed or intentionally misleading his readers into thinking something fishy is going on when it isn't.

Either way, it's bad journalism - if you don't know what it means, shouldn't you try to find out or ask an expert or something and then inform your readers? (And the thing is, it would easy enough to dunk on them for losing $8 billion, without adding these weird insinuations!)

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ElProlactinyesterday at 6:33 PM

Microsoft owns a significant minority stake in the LLC to my understanding.