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dannywtoday at 2:46 PM1 replyview on HN

Some labs go through bad patches, GDM is definitely in one right now and the recent departures are not reassuring, but I think it's too early and dismissive to count them out of the race so far. They just need one good frontier release for everyone to go "GDM is back!"

Claude models weren't really good or noteworthy until the 3 series anyway.


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HardCodedBiastoday at 3:02 PM

I think the record is quite clear, GDM was never in the race.

All of the Gemini models have been considerably behind the capabilities frontier. The only exception was 3.0 which seemed quite good, but had latent issues and we were all measuring with the incorrect metric, agentic where it's latent issues were very pronounced.

GDM+Google may have created an exceptionally efficient LLM for serving search. This is likely a great accomplishment (or maybe Google is burning money at a rate unheard of before). But Frontier capability: they have never been in the race.

This is sad, since they had everything necessary to be on or beyond the frontier.