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LPisGoodyesterday at 8:49 PM9 repliesview on HN

What does that mean, practically? The person who installed linux on that particular device is liable?

>no algorithmic feeds for minors by default

Any choice of what content to display is an algorithm. Maybe they want a simple or easily explainable algorithm?


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Marsymarsyesterday at 9:09 PM

> Any choice of what content to display is an algorithm.

You could argue about the language and the meaning of "algorithm", but for practical purposes I'd consider a manually-curated feed to be non-algorithmic.

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stevenaloweyesterday at 8:53 PM

"Illinois now requires operating system providers, open source projects included, to build age verification by 2028"

however

"nothing in the bill has teeth against someone with no business presence in Illinois"

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delectiyesterday at 9:12 PM

> Any choice of what content to display is an algorithm. Maybe they want a simple or easily explainable algorithm?

Phrases can have meanings beyond just a naive combination of the words in them. And indeed "algorithmic feed" in the bill means what what we all understand that term to mean when we aren't paralyzed by pedantry.

> Under the law, [...] these users will only be shown content they request or search for or that is posted by a creator or friend they follow.

You may disagree with the motivation behind the bill, but you do the discussion a disservice to assume the people writing it are incompetent enough to not define their terms.

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koutakunyesterday at 8:59 PM

Presumably this means no targeting the user's preferences and just showing everything by newest/most liked.

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kube-systemyesterday at 9:07 PM

> Any choice of what content to display is an algorithm. Maybe they want a simple or easily explainable algorithm?

That's a paraphrasing of what law says. The law is more clearly defined:

> "Addictive feed" means a website, online service, online application, or mobile application, or a portion thereof, in which multiple pieces of media generated or shared by users of a website, online service, online application, or mobile application, either concurrently or sequentially, are recommended, selected, or prioritized for display to a user based, in whole or in part, on information associated with the user or the user's device, unless any of the following conditions are met: (1) the recommendation, prioritization, or selection is based on information that is not persistently associated with the user's device and does not concern the user's previous interactions with media generated or shared by other users; (2) the recommendation, prioritization, or selection is based on data controlled by user-selected privacy or accessibility settings or technical information concerning the user's device; (3) the user expressly and unambiguously requested the specific media, media by the author, creator, or poster of media the user has subscribed to, or media shared by users to a page or group the user has subscribed to, provided that the media is not recommended, selected, or prioritized for display based, in whole or in part, on other information that is not permissible under this definition; (4) the user expressly and unambiguously requested the specific media by a specific author, creator, or poster of media the user has subscribed to, or media shared by users to a page or group the user has subscribed to as described by paragraph (3), be blocked, prioritized, or deprioritized for display, provided that the media is not recommended, selected, or prioritized based, in whole or in part, on other information associated with the user or the user's device that is not permissible under this definition; (5) the media is direct and private communication between users; (6) the media is recommended, selected, or prioritized only in response to a specific search inquiry by the user; (7) the media that is recommended, selected, or prioritized for display is exclusively next in a preexisting sequence from the same author, creator, poster, or source; or (8) the recommendation, prioritization, or selection is necessary to comply with the provisions of this Act. "Addictive social media platform" means a covered platform that offers users or provides users with an addictive feed as a part of the service provided by that website, online service, online application, or mobile application.

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harvey9yesterday at 8:59 PM

They want an explanation of what an algorithm is. The world is full of people using words they don't understand and sometimes of them work in legislatures.

dupedyesterday at 9:02 PM

The text of the bill is here: https://ilga.gov/Legislation/BillStatus/FullText?GAID=18&Doc.... There's about 3.5 pages of text defining this.

The relevant text doesn't call it an "algorithmic feed" for what it's worth. They define an "addictive" feed and it's essentially any kind of personalized recommendation.

> "Addictive feed" means a website, online service, online application, or mobile application, or a portion thereof, in which multiple pieces of media generated or shared by users of a website, online service, online application, or mobile application, either concurrently or sequentially, are recommended, selected, or prioritized for display to a user based, in whole or in part, on information associated with the user or the user's device, unless any of the following conditions are met.

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monocasayesterday at 8:54 PM

That part hasn't really been decided since it's a regulatory question.

Basically the bill defines

> "Operating system provider" means a commercial or non-profit entity that controls the Internet-enabled device's operating system, including the design, programming, or supply of operating systems for the Internet-enabled devices.

Which is an extremely broad definition that could be interpreted in a whole bunch of ways.