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paxystoday at 12:06 AM10 repliesview on HN

All the information Gemini surfaced was created with human effort and published on the internet with the expectation that humans would visit the website and the creator would get some reward - advertising dollars, bragging rights, popularity, subscribers or whatever else.

If the only visitors to websites are now LLM training bots then what incentive is there to publish anything new? For how long can we continue to rely on pre-2024 non-AI generated content?


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neuralkoitoday at 1:11 AM

I've seen websites put up some draconian measures to try and get a grip on the scraping. So much for the sub-second loading experience when you have Cloudflare, Google, Anubis, and all these other captcha services trying to see if you're a human. It's made the web browsing experience so much worse.

Some of the proposals to address this include charging bots for access to web resources, but they will also have repercussions for regular users. I don't see how you solve this cleanly.

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jefftktoday at 12:41 AM

> If the only visitors to websites are now LLM training bots then what incentive is there to publish anything new?

I write because I have ideas I want to share, and whether that happens with LLMs as an intermediary isn't important to me.

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swingandamisstoday at 1:02 AM

Gemini can just consume the device documents. There's an incentive for device makers to publish this content.

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karmakazetoday at 3:05 AM

Funny, I published information in the hopes that humans would benefit from it. If it happens to be through collective intelligence of LLMs I'm ok with that--even more so if through open models.

no-name-heretoday at 2:48 AM

At least LLMs almost always transform the original - it usually isn’t as straightforward as “Here’s the original but without the ads that pay for it”.

But we already have the latter case that exists - ad blockers. Ad blockers literally serve up the word-for-word original content minus the ads.

penneydtoday at 12:49 AM

Well in the example above the manufacturer still has incentive to provide the manual's and guides that describe how to use their products, and if that is subsequently served by an LLM that's totally fine. The only sites that LLM's would have a negative effect on are those that are only hosting content for the ad views.

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satvikpendemtoday at 1:04 AM

People write and create regardless of profit motive, it has been that way for thousands of years.

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Havoctoday at 12:53 AM

That is next earnings quarters problem is the approach being taken

_dark_matter_today at 12:26 AM

I wonder the same thing. I only imagine that what comes next is worse: AI companies using vast resources to develop new training data, in house, locked down. They are already doing this with developers and code at Meta. Information will become locked away behind AI paywalls and chatbots.