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jebarkertoday at 1:12 PM3 repliesview on HN

> Eras like this one can be what kills an empire/great power.

Is there actually any good analogue for this era that caused a previous empire or great power to collapse?


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ceejayoztoday at 1:22 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empi...

> The Roman Empire lost the strengths that had allowed it to exercise effective control over its Western provinces; modern historians posit factors including the effectiveness and numbers of the army (check), the health and numbers of the Roman population (check), the strength of the economy (check), the competence of the emperors (check), the internal struggles for power (check), the religious changes of the period (check), and the efficiency of the civil administration (check). Increasing pressure from invading peoples outside Roman culture (check) also contributed greatly to the collapse. Climatic changes (check) and both endemic and epidemic diseases (check) drove many of these immediate factors.

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datsci_est_2015today at 1:53 PM

I think the whole “empire collapsing” is a bit of a dramatized phrasing, though historians can correct me. I think it’s much more death by a thousand cuts, and the UK is a great analogue in that regard. Look at Brexit, for example. Or Black Wednesday, from which the US’s esteemed Treasury Secretary profited handsomely.

The UK’s decline has taken centuries, though, and there are many events that one can point to. I think I agree with the grandparent’s comment about grandparents, about the arrogance of how things will continue to be a certain way.

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pjc50today at 1:59 PM

Last time we discussed US collapse I wrote about the Chinese empire: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49211339

I would also deploy Adam Smith's "there is a lot of ruin in a nation". The US can withstand a few bad years provided it corrects.