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hackernan9000yesterday at 4:06 PM11 repliesview on HN

Curious - what is the main issue you find polarizing with grok?


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Someone1234yesterday at 4:14 PM

I'd start here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_(chatbot)#Controversies_a...

And here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_sexual_deepfake_scandal

I think polarizing is a generous way of describing the problems. My organization has outright banned Grok, because we don't trust SpaceX to hold up to contractual agreements vis-a-vis data-privacy/training. That's the level of reputational damage we're talking about here; and we use Chinese models (*hosted by US providers) for context.

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zamalekyesterday at 8:59 PM

Assuming I was okay with the political exploits of Elon and his companies:

Grok was supposed to be the unbiased model, that is: regurgitate everything it has read. Obviously all data has bias, even all of the data at once, but the sales pitch was that you would get that unfiltered. At least in open source models, this has been shown to improve the competence of the model.

Then this happened: https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/grok-describes-...

So not only has bias been introduced, but they are happily biasing it for trivial reasons. So now the model needs to be competitive in exactly the same way that others are: on benchmarks (which are still not a solved problem).

But, I (and many others) disagree with how Elon has behaved politically and don't want to hand money over to him, so all of that is a hypothetical.

vhantzyesterday at 8:04 PM

Someone commenting on a post related to Musk or his companies asking a seemingly innocent question starting with "curious": check

As if it's not all public knowledge.

arrosenbergyesterday at 4:11 PM

Not the person you are responding to, but the fact that Grok is being used to generate a ton of CSAM and pornographic deepfakes isn't great!

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pellyesterday at 10:41 PM

It took many many many turns for me to have the model even acknowledge that the fake elector scheme was actually a thing. It's very much primed to answer vaguely when it goes against the current political ideals of its owner.

porridgeraisinyesterday at 4:12 PM

I believe it is because of the CEO and his recent forays into politics.

The model itself is great though, especially in grok build, which is a really nice harness I find myself preferring these days.

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itsdesmondyesterday at 4:11 PM

It’s opinions are actively steered by a man who promotes the great replacement theory, white genocide, and remigration which is the mass forced deportation of non-whites.

well_ackshuallyyesterday at 4:10 PM

Where do you want to start, the neonazi owner, the child porn generation, or the data centers running on illegal gas turbines polluting and choking out people ?

inference-godyesterday at 4:10 PM

The guy who owns it is a total fascist / psychopath ?

oulipoyesterday at 4:11 PM

Nazi salutes? Harassing women with nude pics?