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wxwtoday at 5:37 PM5 repliesview on HN

They need to release benchmarks against Luna/Terra. Luna is much cheaper which feels like it undercuts the need for Flash.

I've always considered the Flash series of models to be for low-cost, high-volume, mostly text-based use cases (e.g. summarization, parsing, formatting), emphasis on low-cost.

[edit: ah, benchmarks here: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge...

more of a Terra than Luna competitor which is an interesting positioning. I feel like differentiation at the mid-tier of models is pretty difficult.]


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anthonypasqtoday at 6:03 PM

flash-lite is more of their luna tier competitor but even still not quite there yet, but gemini's dominance on multimodal and image understanding i think really gets downplayed on this site when most people think the only think you can do with LLMs is write code

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peabtoday at 5:48 PM

gemini flash is probably the best model for visual tasks right now. they also make it really easy to ingest videos

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timdorrtoday at 5:39 PM

They compared against 5.6-terra on the model card: https://deepmind.google/models/model-cards/gemini-3-7-flash/

andaitoday at 5:57 PM

Matched roughly with Sol on DeepSwe cost per task.

Luna way cheaper. DeepSeek used to be, but I think it's somewhere on Sol's curve after the price hike.

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jeffbeetoday at 6:15 PM

Why is Gemini represented by points on this cost-quality plane, while competitor's models are represented by curves?

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