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andy_ppptoday at 10:46 AM4 repliesview on HN

Anyone who knows anything realises banning things is a) impossible and b) your enemies will use them anyway, you are just depriving your own side of the advantages.


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sscaryterrytoday at 11:45 AM

Unfortunately, those in power, pretty much all over the world, lie/deceive themselves and believe they can.

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mcintyre1994today at 11:12 AM

In this case depriving US companies would be the point though, so that's not necessarily a disadvantage.

embedding-shapetoday at 11:25 AM

> Anyone who knows anything realises banning things is a) impossible and

Maybe "It's really hard" is more accurate? We (humanity) for most part basically agreed to ban the usage of various chemical weapons in wartime, which seems to have drastically reduced the usage of it, even though it's still used by shit actors today from time to time. But it's hard to deny that usage didn't decrease after banning it, which makes "banning" maybe not completely useless for certain things.

"Banning" things that can be easily copied over cyberweb transportation pipes feels like an fool's errand though, regardless of what it is. It's just too easy to get around, compared to actual physical items I suppose.

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criley2today at 11:47 AM

It's pretty easy for the US to functionally ban chinese models. They only have to target US firms like inference providers or the biggest users, and pretty much the whole domestic market will fall into line. They don't actually care about the final few %.

Regardless of whether or not adversaries are using them, the US has by far the most compute available, and we've now hit the line where major providers are no longer releasing their best models. The public gets the "current" level of intelligence, while the US government gets to control access to the actual frontier of non-public AI. From their perspective, their enemies using GLM5.3 while they have GPT6 and Mythos6 or whatever is a fine trade.

I don't support a ban at all, nor the US's behavior, I'm just pointing out some facts that change the argument.

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