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jasoncartwrighttoday at 6:02 PM4 repliesview on HN

Brexit divided and continues to cause paralysis. Soft, hard, or no-deal? Simplistic binary vote specified no mechanism, destination, or future relationship. Leave and remain have completely incompatible visions for post-Brexit Britain.

Along with (IMHO) a polycrisis of far-right immigration agitation, post-COVID stagnation, high energy costs, NHS/social care strain, housing/planning hell, lack of infrastructure investment.

We're not in a great place and, to your point, there is no clear way out.


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ben_wtoday at 7:34 PM

> Leave and remain have completely incompatible visions for post-Brexit Britain.

This would have been less of a problem if Leave had itself been a single position, rather than as it turned out to be several different positions that all started off in the same vague direction but pulled apart almost immediately, with those involved all insisting the rest of them "weren't proper Brexit" or were "secret Remainers", ignoring all the times Temainers said "What? Them? They aren't Remainers!" unless said Remainers pointed out this division at which point all these supposed "secret Remainers" who wanted something that wasn't "proper Brexit" suddenly were totes Leavers what are you talking about.

But yeah, polycrisis, and it's not just the UK, but the UK seems to have it worse than most because Brexit added to it.

okeuro49today at 8:20 PM

There is no "far right" in the UK -- it's a label that is used to smear people to excuse state failure.

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mytailorisrichtoday at 6:24 PM

> a polycrisis of far-right immigration agitation

I think an important issue in the UK political landscape and public is the polarisation that makes people label immigration a "far-right agitation".

Immigration is a serious and key issue, which impacts everything else, too. As long as the left of centre denies that it is an issue at all (because only "far right" people have a problem with it, apparently) Nigel Farage and the like will only keep increasing their share of the vote. The other aspect of Reform UK's rise is that the Conservatives only paid lip service to the issue so lost the support of many on the right and were destroyed at the last general election (still very visible in the polls).

Perhaps this, like Brexit before, also highlights another issue in the UK/England, which is that London tends to live in its own bubble.

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philipallstartoday at 6:50 PM

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