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gradus_adtoday at 1:22 AM9 repliesview on HN

Eh, government should not be in the business of maintaining digital infrastructure, regardless of how capable it might be. As much of it as possible should be contracted out to 3rd parties.


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wbillingsleytoday at 2:02 AM

Profit motives in infrastructure are a bad idea. See Thames Water in the UK, for instance. It always introduces a perverse incentive where if the company in control of the infrastructure can extract an extra million in profit by making everything less efficient and costing everyone else involved a billion, it's still in that company's interest to do so.

This is a prime example of that. H&R Block, etc, benefit from there not being direct file by around $3bn in revenue or around $750m in profit. Rough sums on the time saved by direct file if everyone used it is 8h * average wage * taxpayers, which seems to be approximately $44bn. i.e. in axing direct file, it has "created" $3bn in economic activity to the private infrastructure-owner (the intermediary between you and filing your return), but at the cost of $44bn in lost time & therefore lost activity (the other things you could have been doing) to the rest of the economy.

Infrastructure is not the economy. Infrastructure is the thing the economy runs on top of / has to use. Given that it is the role of government to govern the economy, it is the role of government to ensure that the infrastructure is running well (be the custodian of the infrastructure).

doginasuittoday at 1:56 AM

Arguing the other side, digital infrastructure shouldn't be such a complicated domain that it is out of the reach of governments. This is the authority we trust to build our roads, water/sewer system, electric grid, and virtually every other meaningful physical infrastructure. Why should digital infrastructure be out of bounds?

The only alternative is inserting a third party, one that has full access to all your financial information, an extraordinary level of trust for a private sector that has shown unrelenting loyalty to investors over customers. That shouldn't be necessary for the average filer, assuming a bare minimum of competence, like one might assume for the only country to put a human on the moon and bring them safely home.

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compiler-guytoday at 1:24 AM

Explain your reasoning at least.

The government has to maintain some infrastructure to get this sort of thing done. Whether digital or analog. And if it contracts it out, it needs to oversee it. So no matter how it is done, the government has to pay.

NoDodgeQuestiontoday at 1:31 AM

Don't you care about the actual outcome at all? Even if the government does a better job, you still prefer a third-party organization?

shepardrtctoday at 1:29 AM

At exorbitant costs or lackluster execution, with plenty of campaign donations along the way

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denkmoontoday at 1:27 AM

You could just light the money on fire instead and get the same result. Contractors routinely screw the tax payer. I once had a job in one of these third parties where the entire operation was effectively defrauding the tax payer by claiming 1hr jobs would take 40.

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timcobbtoday at 1:31 AM

> As much of it as possible should be contracted out to 3rd parties.

This is the case pretty much.

zephentoday at 1:46 AM

Do you think the government should allow electronic filing of taxes?

Because if the government is going to accept returns electronically instead of through the physical mail, then it should accept them without requiring an intermediary.

Interestingly, it does this for corporations, but not for individuals.

Gee, I wonder why.

Personally, I think that (a) the government needs to have my PII to process my taxes, and that (b) having the government require me to also hand my PII to a third party in order to pay taxes is a big fucking security nightmare.

croestoday at 1:45 AM

Direct File was a service not infrastructure