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N_Lenstoday at 8:59 PM2 repliesview on HN

I find the description of consciousness in this article very narrow (Only arising post language). Post language consciousness is a particular type of consciousness, and the same can be said of post DMT consciousness (Which is sometimes without language).


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mjdtoday at 9:32 PM

That's exactly Jaynes's theory: consciousness not only arrived after the invention of language, it arrived after the invention of writing, literature, agriculture, metallurgy, and government bureaucracy. And also, that it _could not_ have arisen without language because it is crucially founded in the capability of language to describe the world metaphorically.

You don't have to like it, but that's the theory that is being discussed.

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TheHardProblemtoday at 9:32 PM

As somebody who understands the perceived limitations of the materialist take on consciousness in light of recent decades of seeming philosophical traction (Searle, Chalmers), I have to admit how many ways LLMs proved me wrong.

Rather, how much of it is just language.

We went from completing words to completing sentences, paragraphs, essays, code files, pixel arrangements, music, and more just by aggregating and modeling all that in English.

I was amazed that predicting a word can emerge into knowledge, creativity, productivity - the stuff of thoughts.

It doesn’t happen to anyone (the thinking) but I think they still qualify as thoughts, just without a thinker.

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