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perching_aixtoday at 10:52 AM2 repliesview on HN

I often wonder if the alarmism / marketing ploy accusations are fake / astroturfed.

Not even necessarily in the organized sense, just people wanting cool toys, realizing they need to posture like such if they want to get them, and then just proceeding to disregard the consequences.

Certainly what it's been feeling like at least, not that I'd put too many eggs into this basket though. Just an impression.


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windexh8ertoday at 12:22 PM

It feels like there's an air of this amongst the inability to communicate effectively. Too much communication, too early and historically now viewed as FUD doesn't help honest analysis from being dismissed early. Dario seems to be the poster child of this, and so you start to wonder what his actual motivations are.

Beyond this I don't trust much of what any frontier provider is saying when they are claiming doom and gloom of the models and then actively choosing to run those models on data centers illegally polluting. Seems like a very hypocritical approach to the "trust me bro" attitude by these companies.

Finally, these are not scrappy startups. They are well funded (hundreds of billions of USD) enterprise organizations with more than enough resources to pay entire legal, marketing, research teams to do this right. Yet, look at how they message much of what they say out loud.

watwuttoday at 1:23 PM

They are very real and not because we want "cool toys". If OpenAI, Antropic disappeared from earth, I would not mind. They can take Thiel, Karp, Musk and the rest of that class with them, as far as I am concerned. They are the biggest threat to democracy and well being of the rest of us, not ai.

And yes, their argument is that they need to amass as much money as possible right now, to proceed as fast as possible with creation of the doom machine and somehow we should trust them. Meanwhile, as they talk about immanent permanent underclass and 80% unemployment and blame AI for their own negligence ... they dont care one bit about harms related to their data centers, corruption they facilitate in government, surveillance they facilitate.

There was no positive intention in "warning about all artists being obsolete and movies being made by Sora only". It was pure bullshit of someone who dont care about artists, but wants to sell slop machine right now. (or seemingly hate them along with all creators for some reasons)

Like, common. It was never good faith. And if it was, their idea of harm is "AIG will take over the world" which completely ignores actual harm to people, social structures and environments they themselves are cause in the process of trying to create AIG capable to take over the world.