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testing22321today at 8:21 PM3 repliesview on HN

Your comment perfectly encapsulates the American thought process (I’m coming from the universal healthcare discussion on the front page)

You post numbers that this will save $1B in fuel. Tons of co2 equal to taking 400,000 cars off the road.

Unquestionably good for society, immensely good for future generations, but you ridicule it because it doesn’t benefit YOU enough right now.

This is why the US doesn’t have nice things. You really can’t see past yourself.


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asa400today at 9:17 PM

It absolutely has good aspects, no doubt, but nothing about this is unquestionable. It’s significantly grayer due to all kinds of second order effects, even if you really believe in the problem and want to solve it.

Depends on how many more accidents worse-gripping tires cause that result in more totaled vehicles that require replacement and what people replace them with.

Depends on how much faster people have to replace these tires due to wear resulting in more baseline tire production.

Depends on how many more one-off flat tires people get that require getting a whole new set of 4 matched tires so their diffs aren’t destroyed.

Depends on whether slightly more efficient tires induce people to drive more on net because they feel like they’re using less gas.

Depends on this does or doesn’t affect how much tire material ends up in the environment and landfills.

There are so many levers one can pull on the “put less CO2 into the atmosphere” problem that it’s not at all clear that this one specific policy is worth it.

There’s also plenty of ways to make your point without stereotyping.

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missinglugnuttoday at 9:22 PM

Discount tire estimates 70% of the current tire options will be illegal to sell in CA. Millions of people will be pushed into different tires than they have based on a limited list of options.

Many of those as alternative tires will wear out faster, causing increased particulate pollution and wasting people's money.

Many of those tires will cost more money than they save in gas. The limited options on less common sizes will make tires really expensive for some unfortunate folks.

Some of those tires will have less grip than what people otherwise would have bought, causing some additional number of car accidents. That's money and resources wasted on wrecked cars, not to mention injuries, and potentially even deaths.

But it could save people $3/month on gas according to the optimistic numbers the lobbyists calculated, so consequences be damned, you think everyone who doesn't want this is a selfish jerk.

esalmantoday at 8:35 PM

Unfortunately I agree with this.

For example, CA has very strict environment protection laws and many people hate it.

But it's also the reason we get beautiful sky and nature all year round. When I was first landing on US soil in LA in 2015, I saw a layer of light gray smog out of the window. These days it's non-existent.

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