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annzabelleyesterday at 11:51 PM6 repliesview on HN

What tools do you find are better?

I have been happy with Claude Code lately, but I haven't explored other options much in over a year. Curious to try something else out if it's less rambling and tangential.


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agentdev001today at 12:28 AM

> less rambling and tangential

This is not necessarily a problem with the harness (IE, swapping from Claude Code wouldn't necessarily fix this).

If what you're looking to avoid is specifically 'rambling and tangential', you can get quite far with anything that adds directives to avoid those things, early in every context window. Ie, through use of Agents.md/claude.md, skills, hooks, and so on.

Changing model would also affect this. Fable 5, Opus 5, and Sonnet 5 are all going to average out to different levels of ramble. Openai, Xai, Google, etc; different providers models will also have different levels of ramble.

What Claude Code does take away from you is some level of control over what makes it into the context window. The system prompt which claude code append to the beginning of every session of course has measurable ramble-affect.

I quite like the Pi harness, most in part because important goal with the approach behind it is "give the user as much control over what makes it into the cotext window as possible."

Codex TUI is also good. Haven't touched it since moving to Pi however. Again- harness isnt the big "stop rambling" thing to change, tho.

andaitoday at 12:20 AM

The sub only works in Claude Code itself (unless they changed that rule again?), and all the Chinese models are trained on Claude Code (a bunch of them don't even work in Codex).

I use a custom harness, but I constantly hear good things about Pi.

EDIT: Checked out Pi and Oh-My-Pi. 250k LoC and 1.5M LoC respectively. Sheesh. How's that for minimalism...

Mine's 50. (Lines.)

https://gist.github.com/a-n-d-a-i/bd50aaa4bdb15f9a4cc8176ee3...

Vendored in my own LLM micro library (100 LoC) so it's 150.[0]

There's no parallelism or anything, but I use it for surgical edits and it's much faster and cheaper than the official harnesses for some reason. (Absence of sysprompt bigger than my repo probably helps there...)

[0] This one uses OpenRouter so you can use it with any model, but jerry rigged Codex sub version available on demand :)

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I also have a ultra turbo bloated version (500 lines... need to strip it down a bit!) which has autorun files (for grep-based context injection), notification (frog croak when agent done, etc.) Watch this space!

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epistasistoday at 1:49 AM

Pi with Claude is better than Claude code in my experience. But I even use old GLM5.2 with pi and generally have a better experience than current Claude Code. It reminds me of peak productivity with Claude Code of 5+ months ago.

8cvor6j844qw_d6today at 12:16 AM

New guidelines that I have seen in a certain place is to configure and update existing CC setups to be CC/Codex agnostic. Plus setting up both allows Claude Code to delegate tasks [1] to Codex to reduce usage.

Most are easy to share with symlinks and @agents.

https://github.com/openai/codex-plugin-cc

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cleaningtoday at 12:39 AM

T3 Code if you want to use your subscriptions in an interface that respects its users.

dalenwyesterday at 11:56 PM

Not OP but I like OpenCode a lot. But OhMyPi: https://omp.sh/ is also taking off. Personally I didn't like it as much as OpenCode.