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sfRattanyesterday at 10:14 PM2 repliesview on HN

> When a house is raided and someone flushes a toilet, can courts assume they flushed drugs, or does that have to be proven?

Game it out at the systems level. If the prosecution had to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that what was destroyed would have been evidence, then destruction of evidence would be functionally permissible whenever done competently.

> ...either way this definitely is not the "sky is falling", "we're almost a police state" case that folks here are making it out to be. It's a very narrow and novel line.

Agreed. And activists should generally work with lawyers in order to be familiar with areas of the law they are likely to encounter in the course of their activism. Especially activists who travel internationally.


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fc417fc802yesterday at 10:44 PM

> then destruction of evidence would be functionally permissible whenever done competently.

Well yes, but ... is that not the case? Game out the opposite. If the prosection doesn't have to demonstrate that something was valid evidence beyond a shadow of doubt that's rife for all sorts of abuse.

In general I don't believe I can catch a (legitimate) felony for locking myself in the bathroom and flushing the toilet during a police raid.

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zugitoday at 12:53 AM

So it turns out destroying a record to obstruct an investigation is also a crime under 18 U.S. Code § 1519. For that they wouldn't need to prove that it was "evidence" or even that it was relevant.

So as much as I sympathize with the guy a d wabt to cheer him on, he's probably screwed.